Time blindness....

Werewolf said:
Says someone who has never had any cognitive issues due to illness or injury.

There are cognitive issues that cause things like bad short term memory loss, one of my friends has periods where he can turn an alarm off and continue with something he's already started as simple as putting the milk in the fridge, and forget the timer ever went off or what it was for, he's not thick or daft but has a medical problem that can screw with his memory and perception of time especially if he's got any infections or is overly tired.

IIRC concussions, and various infections can cause issues like this that might result in someone suffering from it intermittently for anything from hours to days, whilst some other conditions can cause it longer term.
Basically anything that affects how the brain function can cause all sorts of weirdness with awareness. it's akin to the delirium/delusions you can suffer when ill* where you might be out of it like you're on acid, except it's affecting you in a more specific and limited way.


*Fairly common with severe infections, or even just "mild" kidney ones from memory.
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Or he is just forgetful occasionally. This affects lots of people. I remember my dad being super stressed once for a couple years and it was noticeable about his absent mindedness on topics. A couple of ******** tried to imply it was dementia etc, purely to be making a dig.

Then the stress lifted and it was a non issue. Turns out he was probably clever enough to ignore issues not worth worrying about when he had a lot on his mind.

Chances are he would have been diagnosed with something had he gone along etc.

This world is obsessed with making diagnoses up, pills, feelings etc.

Ironically we are far less free and tolerant than we used to be. Everyone has to be on point and efficient. We should all the questioning the uniform drive that is probably making us all mad instead.

Freefaller said:
Don't live in the Med then as there's nothing that happens on time there ! :D
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This! Was away for a few days on the coast and at first I was incredibly frustrated again that everything was just slow. And then I realised that actually the fault was mine. It was nice that the waiters humbled around they were relaxed and so was I. I liked the random people talking (and putting up with our broken words) with no agenda. It's nice to just sit on a terrace til 3am with a bunch of loud people and share wine.

I'm sure they would be diagnosed with something like time blindness.
 
Females have it built in (sorry female members....but you do, it's your MO and us men have lots of failings too......but you are **** with time).

That should do it, my work is done here.
 
I was diagnosed with inattentive ADD and was given Ritalin to help with work. The only time I ever experienced time blindness was when I was on it. Was the weirdest sensation. One of the issues with IADD is hyper focusing for short spaces of time then being unable to re focus at all. Ritalin extended the former massively. I'd be lost in a spreadsheet and then look at the time and sometimes 4 or 5 hours would have past. Was a little concerning at times I have to say.

Don't take it anymore largely because of that.
 
adolf hamster said:
Isn't that just getting your attention drawn into an activity?

Happens to me all the time but this is the first i've heard it being anything other than normal human perception of time and the entire reason we invented clocks.
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Yeah, welcome to 2023 where everything is a condition to absolve anyone of any blame or the requirement to do what people have done for a very long time. Sort themselves out or work around it.

Everyone loses track of time. I am a programmer and you can lose hours to problems really easily. If its important then you set alarms. You set reminders. Basically you don't bury your head in the sand and then claim "not my fault, I'm time blind"
 
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Orangeade said:
This world is obsessed with making diagnoses up, pills, feelings etc.

Ironically we are far less free and tolerant than we used to be. Everyone has to be on point and efficient. We should all the questioning the uniform drive that is probably making us all mad instead.
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fez said:
Yeah, welcome to 2023 where everything is a condition to absolve anyone of any blame or the requirement to do what people have done for a very long time. Sort themselves out or work around it.

Everyone loses track of time. I am a programmer and you can lose hours to problems really easily. If its important then you set alarms. You set reminders. Basically you don't bury your head in the sand and then claim "not my fault, I'm time blind"
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Sort of, but sometimes it is genuinely a chemical or hormonal imbalance that requires, for the short term at least, medical diagnosis and treatment to help the person cope. The medical profession isn't just inventing disorders and treatments, they're all science based and the journals and studies are all out there for anyone to read into.

I'm not saying everyone should lean on these things as an excuse and seek pharmaceutical help as soon as a problem rears it's head. It's perfectly possible and preferable to self medicate through a whole host of different ways and I'm sure a lot of people on a subconscious level do exactly that ie. the alcoholic who discovered tennis, the depressive who found literature etc., but that just isn't an option for everyone.
 
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ArcticHeron said:
Sort of, but sometimes it is genuinely a chemical or hormonal imbalance that requires, for the short term at least, medical diagnosis and treatment to help the person cope. The medical profession isn't just inventing disorders and treatments, they're all science based and the journals and studies are all out there for anyone to read into.
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Of course they aren't. In the same way that some people have genuine health issues with their weight gain, some people have genuine ADHD etc.

The problem is that we are currently at a point in time where instead of the tiny proportion of people who have a genuine medical issue with are just diagnosing everyone with the behaviour or symptoms with the condition.

Yes we have got better at diagnosing issues in the past 20 years but we have also become experts in making excuses for peoples ****** behaviour and life choice. Most kids don't have ADHD, they have **** parents. Most people don't have any medical reason for being overweight, they are just lazy gluttons.

The issue is that unless the person/family is willing to work on the issue then it always becomes the issue of the state and they have to work out the best/cheapest way to fix the problem.
 
fez said:
Of course they aren't. In the same way that some people have genuine health issues with their weight gain, some people have genuine ADHD etc.

The problem is that we are currently at a point in time where instead of the tiny proportion of people who have a genuine medical issue with are just diagnosing everyone with the behaviour or symptoms with the condition.

Yes we have got better at diagnosing issues in the past 20 years but we have also become experts in making excuses for peoples ****** behaviour and life choice. Most kids don't have ADHD, they have **** parents. Most people don't have any medical reason for being overweight, they are just lazy gluttons.

The issue is that unless the person/family is willing to work on the issue then it always becomes the issue of the state and they have to work out the best/cheapest way to fix the problem.
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Over diagnosis is definitely a thing and I've no doubt it accounts for a lot of the numbers, but you say 'most', what are you basing that opinion on? I'm not trying to be antagonistic, I just think there's a host of factors involved outside of laziness and poor parenting.

You see a similar argument when it comes to Autism. My partners little girl is autistic and to meet her you wouldn't suspect a thing, but the longer you spend with her the more you see that she genuinely really struggles with certain things and that many of those struggles will be an issue for life. There's a hidden spectrum of concerns that are only visible to those in the inner circle of that persons life and it's on the shoulders of the medical profession to to try and put a band aid over these problems until we know more about them. Is it preferable? Not at all. The quickdraw response to medicate any issue is something I'm completely against, but when a child or adult is having regular breakdowns/anxiety attacks/depressive episodes that they cannot find an inward solution for then there's not much of an option, especially in the cut throat society we live in today where you could loose your job for underperforming.

There's a gloopy, sticky mess of minutia that should never be discounted when we talk about these things imo.
 
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Can we see some evidence that most people with diagnosed ADHD, in fact don't have anything wrong with them (apart from **** parenting apparently) as that's quite a claim.

Having an ADHD diagnosis is important to get the right environmental changes in place to get the best out of your kid or yourself. It helps others and yourself to understand how to put strategies in place to mitigate it. I've seen it have a positive impact.

Misdiagnosis could be a problem if medicated, if not then I think the worst that would happen is additional support. I haven't seen any evidence to suggest this is happening a lot?
 
I am not a big believer in over-diagnosis tbh. I think it's more likely that it was under-diagnosed in the past and now we have much better methods of diagnosing these disorders.

The problem is that there's a spectrum to things like ADHD, just as there is to autism, where some people, because of their other characteristics and upbringing, can mask a lot of it or have developed their own methods of overcoming as much of it as possible.

People hear the name of the disorder and just apply their own limited understanding of these conditions to the person and think they're all the same and have to act or behave in a very specific way to be "deserving" of that diagnosis.
 
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Ayahuasca said:
I am not a big believer in over-diagnosis tbh. I think it's more likely that it was under-diagnosed in the past and now we have much better methods of diagnosing these disorders.

The problem is that there's a spectrum to things like ADHD, just as there is to autism, where some people, because of their other characteristics and upbringing, can mask a lot of it or have developed their own methods of overcoming as much of it as possible.

People hear the name of the disorder and just apply their own limited understanding of these conditions to the person and think they're all the same and have to act or behave in a very specific way to be "deserving" of that diagnosis.
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Of course, my point was more relating to care free GPs who have a thousand appointments booked in daily and are just churning out 'easy' fixes.

'Masking' as you mentioned is particularly prevalent in young girls. It's why it's so difficult and so time consuming to get a diagnosis for them. My GF has really struggled with that in regards to her daughter. Boys present certain aspects of the disorder much earlier and much more distinctly.
 
Efour said:
Lol nothing ive been off work for 3 days and next week is my rota for the meh week :p Just singing the sunday blues....
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Well yes if you're off work then of course the days all blend into one another my mother is retired and never knows what day of the week it is I'm the same when on holiday theres no incentive to know what it is it only matters when you visit the supermarket say and find it shut at 4 'cos its sunday

Time and clock watching is largely a modern construct in times past people regulated their lives by the seasons when it was light you got up and worked the fields when its was dark you went home and to bed the modern world and artificial lighting and work timetables have imposed strict divisions on the day when that pressure is gone people tend to revert to a more natural pattern
 
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ArcticHeron said:
I was diagnosed with inattentive ADD and was given Ritalin to help with work. The only time I ever experienced time blindness was when I was on it. Was the weirdest sensation. One of the issues with IADD is hyper focusing for short spaces of time then being unable to re focus at all. Ritalin extended the former massively. I'd be lost in a spreadsheet and then look at the time and sometimes 4 or 5 hours would have past. Was a little concerning at times I have to say.

Don't take it anymore largely because of that.
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That is ****ing scary tbh

I thought being punctual and on time was just part of being a good British citizen.. Part of being raised properly, part of being made into a drone :P
To actually have "time loss" occur.... Well i can think of 1 or 2 occasions in my life were its happened and both included ridiculous amounts of booze and passing out to be awoken at "going home" time and being extremely confused. The joys of youth and not knowing your boundaries.
 
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