How do you know?
Time is bonkers
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How do you know?
So you're saying that unless there is something there to hear it, the laws of physics change to completely remove the sound energy from existence, and then bring it back as soon as somebody is there?
The gillbot is defective?
Nay.
I'm a synesthete (or synaesthesiac, depending on your preference). I operate on a higher level
so you're a higher, unique model which doesn't work with anything else and causes incompatibilities?
I never knew you were a woman
It doesn't matter whether it has been previously perceived or not, as soon as you can no longer perceived the object then you cannot be sure that the object remains as you perceived it.
The whole point I am trying to make is that the physical world is entirely dependent on your acceptance of what your mind tells you is real, the only thing that you can be truly sure is real is your mind, everything else including that Brick is subjective.
You cannot even be sure I am real let alone what someone told you the definition of a Brick was.
No, not at all. I'm saying that without perception the very nature of it may change. The observer effect.
But we're not looking at a quantum-scale system here, there's been no evidence to suggest that what you're describing occurs? (Or if there is I'd genuinely love to read it.)
No, nothing more than devil's advocate
The observer effect isn't only at quantum level though.
No, the waves are still there. A sound is, again, explicitly the interpretation of a wave by the ear. Until someone percieves and interprets a wave as a sound, it is not a sound, it is just a wave.
Edit. I'm not saying this from the whole "I dream therefore I am" or "How do you know anything exists" standpoint. I mean literally, the word 'sound' means a wave interpretated by someone.
See I don't really see them as being to far apart. How it started was a thought that if you don't perceive something then does it occur. We already know that in certain quantum experiments particles will be in all states until they are observed.
What I was originally getting at though was that time perception is a very strange phenomenon and I go back to the two people, one an insomniac the other a heavy sleeper. A whole night can pass and for one of them it would pass in an instant.
IE when you die (in the same way the sleeper went from 10pm to 9am instantly) you would be instantly at the end of time and thus the end of the universe.
All that aside I also realise the universe doest end for everyone as they are in effect the insomniac of the comparison.
I also realise it probably doest work like any of that anyway. Like I said it was a hot afternoon, I was bored, it entertained me. And after reading the whole thread I'm glad I posted it, its v.interesting.
Presuming, of course, that when you 'die' you are actually 'dead' and there's no afterlife or whatever...
You didn't open a can of worms, you killed the thread
Making this the afterlife!
I understand that this is the case.
I just don't understand how.
Making this the afterlife!
I understand that this is the case.
I just don't understand how.
It does make a sound but there is no one there to hear it.
I can't get a zen moment from that question for some reason
Yes, it did - and the presence of the lead singer of Herman's Hermits is irrelevant.
Everyone knows that one. It's "cl".
Time as a concept can be considered as a human construct, a quantity which can be measured according to a predefinition (in the case of time as we know it, we use the concept of a second, which is built upon the mechanical processes which we use to measure it).
However, what you really need to consider is that without consciousness, time as a measurable quantity becomes impossible, that does not therefore mean what it is we assign values to does not exist. Reality goes on with or without your consciousness. It's as simple as that really.
Collectively, we as humans have defined a way with which we can measure the passage of what we have termed time. In reality time does not exist, simply actions and reactions occur in a predictable way.
For example, if we were to meet a new alien species, their idea of a second may be different to our idea of a second, which would likely be due to the physical state of their surrounding environments that has led to different optimal mechanical measurement techniques. This does not mean that they are literally in a slower or faster time-frame than us, rather they assign a different value to the occurrence of actions and reactions.
However, what you really need to consider is that without consciousness, time as a measurable quantity becomes impossible, that does not therefore mean what it is we assign values to does not exist. Reality goes on with or without your consciousness. It's as simple as that really.
Collectively, we as humans have defined a way with which we can measure the passage of what we have termed time. In reality time does not exist, simply actions and reactions occur in a predictable way.
For example, if we were to meet a new alien species, their idea of a second may be different to our idea of a second, which would likely be due to the physical state of their surrounding environments that has led to different optimal mechanical measurement techniques. This does not mean that they are literally in a slower or faster time-frame than us, rather they assign a different value to the occurrence of actions and reactions.
Don't tell Einstein!
It''s fine, due to the occurrence of predictable actions and reactions, Einstein died