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Titan V announced £2700 15TF 12nm Volta

NirK said:
Weird how it is only approx 25% improvement over 1080Ti. From the specs it should be more like 50% faster than 1080ti, it is not a gaming card but still it has 5120 cores and HBM2.
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It's not a 25% improvement. I'm averaging 30% improvement over a Titan Xp, let alone a lowly 1080Ti.
 
Vega said:
It's not a 25% improvement. I'm averaging 30% improvement over a Titan Xp, let alone a lowly 1080Ti.
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I looked at reviews and it is often only 20% better, some games are 35-50%. But if you OC the Titan V to ~2000mhz, I guess it would be more like 30-50%. Just thought considering it is new architecture and those massive specs that it would be consistently 50-100% better or something, but probably a) the review is not overclocked titan V, b) the drivers as its not a gaming card.
 
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NirK said:
I looked at reviews and it is often only 20% better, some games are 35-50%. But if you OC the Titan V to ~2000mhz, I guess it would be more like 30-50%. Just thought considering it is new architecture and those massive specs that it would be consistently 50-100% better or something, but probably a) the review is not overclocked titan V, b) the drivers as its not a gaming card.
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Once you overclock a Ti / Xp the gap is less impressive unless the application utilises asynchronous compute.

From Kaaps benchmarks it's roughly 10-15% vs an overclocked Ti. That's the reality anyway, depends how much sugar you want to coat on it with words like lowly lol.
 
Obviously you compare stock vs stock and OC vs OC. My V is averaging ~30% faster than my Xp both overclocked in games. So obvious significantly faster than a OC 1080Ti which is slower than a OC Xp.
 
Obviously the Titan V is good, but just saying, considering the specs and the price, the performance in games is a bit underwhelming IMO. Hopefully the gaming versions will be relatively better. With Volta architecture, 5120 cores, HBM2 etc. if you look at the benchmarks it is actually worse than 1080ti considering the specs, 50% more cores and HBM2 but definitely not a consistent 50% faster, and also it is supposed to be new architecture so you would expect improvements from that. But yes its not a gaming card and is mostly for professional use so we will see what the gaming versions are like.

980ti > 2816 cores, 384bit memory etc.
1080 > 2560 cores, 256bit memory etc.
25-30% faster in games.

1080ti > 3584 cores, 384bit memory etc.
Titan V > 5120 cores, HBM 2 etc.
25-30% faster in games.
 
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We're losing sight of the fact Nvidia are charging $3,000 for a graphics card. To get one for professional work is a crazy chunk of cash but probably some might need it. To get one just for gaming and bench marking is absolute madness. $3000 to benchmark and game on? Only the very rich/daft will get them. The rest of us will wait until prices come down and stop feeding the perpetual Nvidia price gouging to see when we'll all stop buying at a certain price.
 
NirK said:
Obviously the Titan V is good, but just saying, considering the specs and the price, the performance in games is a bit underwhelming IMO. Hopefully the gaming versions will be relatively better. With Volta architecture, 5120 cores, HBM2 etc. if you look at the benchmarks it is actually worse than 1080ti considering the specs, 50% more cores and HBM2 but definitely not a consistent 50% faster, and also it is supposed to be new architecture so you would expect improvements from that. But yes its not a gaming card and is mostly for professional use so we will see what the gaming versions are like.

980ti > 2816 cores, 384bit memory etc.
1080 > 2560 cores, 256bit memory etc.
25-30% faster in games.

1080ti > 3584 cores, 384bit memory etc.
Titan V > 5120 cores, HBM 2 etc.
25-30% faster in games.
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The problem is not with the Volta architecture it is with the game devs.

What I mean by this is if you run the Titan V on something that is written to use the Volta architecture the performance is staggering. To see what the Volta architecture is capable of have a look at the Supervision bench thread where a single Volta Titan is more than twice as fast as a 1080 Ti @2160p.

It is no good blaming modern cards for bad performance when the game devs are not using the hardware properly. It is a bit like saying a Ferrari has poor performance because the local council will only build dirt track roads to run it on.

I think what I am describing above will become a very serious problem for all new gaming cards from both AMD and NVidia, you only have to look at DX12 and where it is not going.
 
Kaapstad said:
The problem is not with the Volta architecture it is with the game devs.

What I mean by this is if you run the Titan V on something that is written to use the Volta architecture the performance is staggering. To see what the Volta architecture is capable of have a look at the Supervision bench thread where a single Volta Titan is more than twice as fast as a 1080 Ti @2160p.

It is no good blaming modern cards for bad performance when the game devs are not using the hardware properly. It is a bit like saying a Ferrari has poor performance because the local council will only build dirt track roads to run it on.

I think what I am describing above will become a very serious problem for all new gaming cards from both AMD and NVidia, you only have to look at DX12 and where it is not going.
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Asynchronous compute is not a DX11 feature, and most games are still inherently DX11. The trouble with that is, the gains in DX11 are marginal at best - especially when considering the price for entry if purchasing for that medium.
 
NirK said:
Weird how it is only approx 25% improvement over 1080Ti. From the specs it should be more like 50% faster than 1080ti, it is not a gaming card but still it has 5120 cores and HBM2.
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Huge chunk of each SM is not going to be used in games, if the block diagram is anything to go by a huge chunk will eb unused by games (say 1/2 to 1/3). a lot of the CU die space was used for Tenser cores and FP64. So that's most likey why together with the normal lack of driver optimisation for games etc.

https://devblogs.nvidia.com/parallelforall/inside-volta/
 
Still says it has 5120 Fp32 cores though, as well as 2560 FP64 and 640 Tensor Cores, to be fair I do not understand it well enough, but I think those 5120 cores are available for gaming and the others are not. But yes clearly it is professional card and not optimised for gaming.
 
5120 cores of which half of them can do 64bit (but can run in 32bit mode).

The tensor cores and the parts of the core used for 64bit are useless for gaming hence why a fully 32bit shader core is more efficient.

A die of the same size fully 32bit would be significantly faster but also more expensive to the gamer as these cards are subsidised by the Tesla cards.
 
Meaker said:
5120 cores of which half of them can do 64bit (but can run in 32bit mode).

The tensor cores and the parts of the core used for 64bit are useless for gaming hence why a fully 32bit shader core is more efficient.

A die of the same size fully 32bit would be significantly faster but also more expensive to the gamer as these cards are subsidised by the Tesla cards.
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But the Titan V still has 5120 cores usable for gaming? The 64bit cores can be used at 32bit, the tensor cores are useless for gaming, Does it have 5760 including the tensor cores or 4480?
 
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NirK said:
But the Titan V still has 5120 cores usable for gaming? The 64bit cores can be used at 32bit, the tensor cores are useless for gaming, Does it have 5760 including the tensor cores or 4480?
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Those cores do pull their weight, 5120 is a 33% increase over a Titan Xp which is about what we are seeing when the conditions are demanding.

I am going to give Heaven 4 a go @2160p later to see how much faster the Titan V is than the Titan Xp, it is useless using a lower resolution as then the CPU starts influencing things.
 
Yes that is more like 50% increase you would expect, but then considering the 1080 was faster than 980ti with less cores etc. Does look like the same performance as Pascal but with more cores, but yes very good score and I am interested to see what the gaming cards are like. Also as I already said 10x before it is not specifically a gaming card so probably they will be more optimised for gaming. Does the volta have proper Async compute now similar to AMD?
 
Can you test Crysis 3, interested to see if the Titan V is the first card that can actually do 4k 60fps ultra in that game!
 
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