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Lochridge went to OSHA but they didn't do anything, he took a swipe at them in his closing statement and asked why they didn't do anything
Titanic submersible confirmed destroyed with loss of all five souls onboard.
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Just finished the 7 hour testimony from David and it was a massive failing from OSHA (Occupational Safety and Health Administration) in the US. He was under the impression he was under their protection as part of the Whistlblower Protection scheme and in reality did bugger all to help him. They led (and lied imo) him along saying they would support his complaint and did nothing for almost a year. Meanwhile throughout that time he was threatened legally (exposing David and his family to past spouses, immigration, past employment and numerous other personal threats) and was attacked continually by Oceangate Lawyers and the OSHA case worker did nothing to help despite their promise with legal aid and protection. Despite numerous false promises, the Caseworker (i forget his name) admitted he had not even started his investigation and did not know when he would get around to progressing the proceedings, blaming being overworked with older more important cases and had capitulated to Oceangate and advised David should change his claim with ADR (alternative dispute resolution) which would have basically withdraw David's original claim and settling outside court by a neutral body. I suspect something behind the scenes perhaps was at work to help favour Oceangate possibly?
Understandably David had to arrange legal matters himself because he was already under immense legal pressure from Oceangate and added with OSHA incompetence and absolute lack of care & support. David eventually was overwhelmed by the situation and had to settle (cancel) that complaint with OSHA with neither side (Lochridge vs Oceangate) being liable for any further progress to that enquiry. David and his family was exhausted and had remain silent in the further years signing NDAs as part of that agreement.
You can understand anyone in that position would have been angry and upset having put in such a position, pouring so much time and effort, professionally, financially and publicly to no avail. After waiting and forced to be silent for so many years he was only allowed to talk about his experience with Oceangate after being subpoena for the hearing. OSHA was a massive failing to David and his family. I would say his closing statement was fair and appropriate. They owe him at least a long overdue apology.
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Surely Tony Nissen is at the very least guilty of being complicit to Stockton Rush to cutting corners and deliberately withholding information and certification that could have saved lives. He lacked transparency whenever questions were asked about the vessel or when any concerns where raised by multiple people. He seems to have brushed and blamed everything on Stockton alone. He is not credible and comes across as a weasel imo. Also where the heck is Stockton's wife and the other 2 Oceangate heads that enabled Stockton.
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Still another week to go I think. Is there a schedule for who is appearing when?
Not that i am aware of. Does anyone know if there is going to prosecutions after this hearing? Or is this purely investigation.
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Witness list and schedule released for Titan Marine Board of Investigation Hearing
Schedule: Titan Marine Board of Investigation HearingMonday, Sept. 168:30 a.m. – Opening Remarks9:00 a.m. – 5 Minute Recess9:15 a.m. – Overview of Incident and
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This has the schedule
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This former co founder guy sure does like to waffle with his answers
O m g is he overcompensating or what. Its like giving his life story and rational for simple questions like his asking his name.
Imo He gave an absolute insincere closing statement acting like he cares.
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Now we got a guy giving a lecture on ABS regulations, Carbon Composite theory, failture, testing, construction and vehicle housing. All good and damning but OG did nothing that covered this. Next Slide!
Imo He gave an absolute insincere closing statement acting like he cares.
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Now we got a guy giving a lecture on ABS regulations, Carbon Composite theory, failture, testing, construction and vehicle housing. All good and damning but OG did nothing that covered this. Next Slide!
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Yeah I'm not sure I see the value of interviewing someone who left OceanGate in 2015 or something. Why have they not brought in all the employees who were actually on the ship at the time of the tragedy or those who were actually involved in the design or construction of the vessel eg Boeing or the actual design engineers/testers.
Also didn't the US navy detect the sound of an implosion on its underwater monitoring grid. Why aren't they interviewing someone about that.
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One of the reasons they'll interview people from say 2015 is because it helps create a record of the background of the company and how it dealt with things. For example if they can show that the safety issues were known about, or that the company was dodgy safety tests and ignoring warnings going back 10 years it's much more serious than "oh we had something unexpected happen without any warnings".
Especially if it shows a pattern of the company trying to cover up problems, or silence and force out staff who raised concerns.
Especially if it shows a pattern of the company trying to cover up problems, or silence and force out staff who raised concerns.
Thats what i have been asking as well but i thought i read they refused the attend the Hearing (not sure if they were subpoenaed) and possibly pled the 5th?!!. Stockton's wife was 2nd in OG and there was 2 other heads as well that helped run through what they were doing. All are not present for the hearing. Tony Nissen was the only person so far to appear. He was definitely complicit in hiding the facts from questions and concerns imo. dont think all their claims working with Boeing and Nasa etc was actually true.
They did but kept it classified. According to James Cameron they were just following procedure and were not allowed to release it until they completed their investigations. In his opinion that gave people false hope and prolonged their loss because he knew what that explosion meant and were most likely killed.
Agree but they seem to be interviewing far more ex employees than ones who were actually at the incident or were current employees.
Is it not a proper legal investigation then? They should force people to attend or hold an actual criminal investigation.
Yes so has this now been released and discussed in the investigation? I haven't heard it.
Whole thing seems weak. You have people sitting there in military gear yet not interviewing people who had the authority on the actual expedition.
It's a public hearing as part of the ongoing investigation, not a criminal trial. It will result in recommendations from the USCG/MBI, which as I understand it, may include criminal charges at which point a proper criminal trial might take place.
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The USN will also have been discussing how to say “We heard something that sounded like an implosion in that area at < time and date >” without giving away the locations and capabilities of the sensors that picked up the implosion.
Pretty damning, Amber Bay former director of adminstration for OG. Got asked "Are missions specialist paying passenger" she replied no.
So despite riding like passengers, pay a extortionate amount as a passenger and have no experience at all in deep sea submersible or your project. They still are not passengers, Gotcha. This was Stockton and OG way of circumventing passenger safety and regulations ??
So despite riding like passengers, pay a extortionate amount as a passenger and have no experience at all in deep sea submersible or your project. They still are not passengers, Gotcha. This was Stockton and OG way of circumventing passenger safety and regulations ??
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The other participants have all been asked the same question and the ones Ive seen have pretty much said yes.
I know right and she answered under oath. Imo She has no credibility she is giving conflicting account and is now actually denying saying to Antonella Wilby when Wilby reported the loud bang in the Tian and dismissing her that she didnt have a explorer mindset and fired her. She also claimed Wilby was fired not because of the report but she was crazy, crying and was acting irrationally and unprofessionally, oh btw that was Stockton decision to release wilby but not her's (Bays). She is well complicit and enabler for OG and Stockton.
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The guy being interviewed now basically said they used mission specialist as a way to skirt regulations, with everything coming out, I can't see how there isn't legal action after this investigation concludes