Titanic submersible confirmed destroyed with loss of all five souls onboard.

Combat squirrel · 22 Jun 2023 at 19:20

Priapus said:
I’m not sure that’s anything more than a coincidence. Sharks can only go down to about 3000 meters. Since the sub lost contact at 1h45m and it takes 2hrs to get to the titanic - I suspect they were past 3000m.

Sharks of different species can exist at any depth, in fact there was one filmed at the bottom of the deepest point on Earth. But some sharks that can exist near the surface can go well below 3000m, depends, but yeah loads of species can go far below that.

Dis86 · 22 Jun 2023 at 19:20

Shame. This is a lesson in doing things properly sadly.

Kelt · 22 Jun 2023 at 19:22

squerble said:
Should have or should've**
Could have or could've**

This forum needs an auto-ban for anyone posting "could/would/should have"

TBH this should have been in from day one.

Neil79 · 22 Jun 2023 at 19:24

Mekrel said:
I was hoping there was a slim chance the sub would be found stricken and recovered, or has been on the surface all this time. If the debris field is indeed from the Titan, hopefully it's from the result of the sub imploding where those inside would have not felt their demise.

Titanic sub: OceanGate co-founder fears there was an 'instantaneous implosion'

The co-founder of the firm which runs Titan tours was speaking after debris was found in the search area.

www.bbc.co.uk

the shadow · 22 Jun 2023 at 19:25

robfosters said:
Risking your life in the name of discovery and exploration is necessary for human advancement, but doing in the name of glorified sightseeing is indeed foolish beyond belief.

Just because one has the money to do it, does not mean it should be done

FoxEye · 22 Jun 2023 at 19:26

The_One said:
hardly built in a shed

NASA helped build the thing

The design was "unconventional" in the same way that Musk's Starship launchpad was "unconventional". And just as certified for the task

One guy was fired for raising safety concerns. He specifically said that the carbon fibre hull showed signs of fatigue and cyclic stress, and was ignored.

Compare this vehicle to the Limiting Factor, and the different design philosophies are plain to see. I have no idea what the budgets for either vehicle were. But one did things the right way, and was fully certified to any ocean depth; the other is now a grave.

The Funktopus · 22 Jun 2023 at 19:26

From what I’ve read of the mechanics of an implosion under that sort of pressure. In addition to the trauma of being instantaneously crushed by the hull, you’re also simultaneously immolated by an atmosphere that’s igniting due to the speed of compression, much in the same way a diesel engine works. So you get to die in a couple of different ways, all at the same time.

dlockers · 22 Jun 2023 at 19:28

C Kent said:
1st day on the internet?

Woosh

FoxEye · 22 Jun 2023 at 19:32

The Funktopus said:
From what I’ve read of the mechanics of an implosion under that sort of pressure. In addition to the trauma of being instantaneously crushed by the hull, you’re also simultaneously immolated by an atmosphere that’s igniting due to the speed of compression, much in the same way a diesel engine works. So you get to die in a couple of different ways, all at the same time.

With water moving at speeds faster than supersonic. Imagine a supersonic pressure washer! Fortunately you don't know about any of it, which is undoubtedly better than the other possible death scenario.

Alibaba99 · 22 Jun 2023 at 19:33

EdButler said:
This terrible saga brings back strong memories for MH370. For me, that brought stark realisation of just how far we are behind technologically than I'd originally assumed. We couldn't find a 60x60 metre plane that was pinging location right into the ocean using the technology of the worlds best.

With that in mind, I have no idea how we'd ever find Titan. The fact this thing has no fully redundant tracking beacon is the worst of the many failures.

The problem was that MH370 wasn't pinging its location. The only data they had was the relatively infrequent telemetric data from the engines and then some creative doppler shift evaluation to try and improve the quality of the data.

mrk · 22 Jun 2023 at 19:33

The Funktopus said:
From what I’ve read of the mechanics of an implosion under that sort of pressure. In addition to the trauma of being instantaneously crushed by the hull, you’re also simultaneously immolated by an atmosphere that’s igniting due to the speed of compression, much in the same way a diesel engine works. So you get to die in a couple of different ways, all at the same time.

The experience of a lifetime :S

delta0 · 22 Jun 2023 at 19:33

At least and hopefully it was instantaneous.

Participant · 22 Jun 2023 at 19:33

Dis86 said:
Shame. This is a lesson in doing things properly sadly.

Doesn't necessarily need to be done sadly I don't think?

the shadow · 22 Jun 2023 at 19:35

If the word die is on that waiver I’m not signing it and getting on board

Dis86 · 22 Jun 2023 at 19:35

Participant said:
Doesn't necessarily need to be done sadly I don't think?

I don't necessarily have an issue with adventure tourism, even to extremes, as long all reasonable safety precautions are taken. Things like this though are not suited to amateurs and quite obvious lack of planning and design.

gingergundog · 22 Jun 2023 at 19:38

At least they didn't know anything about it. Shame the bodger didn't listen to advice, he would have known the carbon fibre hull was a once only dive really. Made me think about his 'hull monitoring system' fat lot of good that was, which was surely only any good to a certain depth. When you are deep enough that a fault with the hull means instant implosion seems a pointless feature.

azazl187 · 22 Jun 2023 at 19:38

200sols said:
Shouldn't drop like a stone in a power failure though.

It may do if the ballasts hadn't yet disengaged. And yes I know that things are lighter in water volumes but it still would have hit hard

azazl187 · 22 Jun 2023 at 19:40

adam cool dude said:
The debris field will presumably be very small if that happened. If it went pop higher up you would have a much larger radius.

I am pretty certain all the data and telemetry will reveal everything and they knew this outcome more than likely from the start.

Agreed

uscool · 22 Jun 2023 at 19:40

Hopefully we'll get more information on the workings and how they operated regarding checks etc now full investigation should be happening with not having to certify so not giving information

dlockers · 22 Jun 2023 at 19:42

gingergundog said:
At least they didn't know anything about it. Shame the bodger didn't listen to advice, he would have known the carbon fibre hull was a once only dive really. Made me think about his 'hull monitoring system' fat lot of good that was, which was surely only any good to a certain depth. When you are deep enough that a fault with the hull means instant implosion seems a pointless feature.

Maybe that is what he meant by Hull Monitoring System?

A bit like how an airline has a "water landing warning system" i.e. when your feet are wet