Titanic submersible confirmed destroyed with loss of all five souls onboard.

[StriderX]

This right here is proof the libertarian world view comes up rather lacking in the braincell department.

 

[mrk]

On the above, yeah £250k a ticket and the owners could not even be bothered to pay the extra to viewport makers to make it certified to the correct depths:

At the meeting Lochridge discovered why he had been denied access to the viewport information from the Engineering department—the viewport at the forward of the submersible was only built to a certified pressure of 1,300 meters, although OceanGate intended to take passengers down to depths of 4,000 meters. Lochridge learned that the viewport manufacturer would only certify to a depth of 1,300 meters due to experimental design of the viewport supplied by OceanGate, which was out of the Pressure Vessels for Human Occupancy (“PVHO”) standards. OceanGate refused to pay for the manufacturer to build a viewport that would meet the required depth of 4,000 meters.

Missing Titanic Sub Once Faced Massive Lawsuit Over Depths It Could Safely Travel To

Court documents reveal a former OceanGate employee had several safety complaints over the tourist submersible—and then he was fired.

newrepublic.com

It literally was a sinking timebomb. Lucky that the first load of dives went without issue, but the structure no doubt suffered and weakened with repeated dives until.... Yeah.

And as for further thoughts on its whereabouts now? Well that might be a tricky one if it's in pieces...

Titanic submersible: Missing craft may have imploded and collapsed into pieces, expert says

The worst case scenario is "probably a collapse - a catastrophic implosion of the sub itself which would be horrific", Dr David Gallo says.

news.sky.com

 

[Nitefly]

This right here is proof the libertarian world view comes up rather lacking in the braincell department.

Are… did you just blame this incident on ‘the left’?

 

[koolpc]

Time is ticking!

I really really hope they find them alive, soon, and can rescue them....

 

[mi_z]

Are… did you just blame this incident on ‘the left’?

From my understanding Libertarian doesn't mean left -- it means someone who prefers smaller Government with lower regulations or economic interference and more "freedom."

 

[Roar87]

I think if the submersible went missing 2 hours after it set off then it probably imploded early on in the dive.

 

[Philtor]

Time is ticking!

I really really hope they find them alive, soon, and can rescue them....

I do also but interesting how the language has went from rescue to recovery with some reports now.

I suspect a hull failure which is not good at them depths

 

[Minusorange]

On the above, yeah £250k a ticket and the owners could not even be bothered to pay the extra to viewport makers to make it certified to the correct depths:

Missing Titanic Sub Once Faced Massive Lawsuit Over Depths It Could Safely Travel To

Court documents reveal a former OceanGate employee had several safety complaints over the tourist submersible—and then he was fired.

newrepublic.com

It literally was a sinking timebomb. Lucky that the first load of dives went without issue, but the structure no doubt suffered and weakened with repeated dives until.... Yeah.

And as for further thoughts on its whereabouts now? Well that might be a tricky one if it's in pieces...

Titanic submersible: Missing craft may have imploded and collapsed into pieces, expert says

The worst case scenario is "probably a collapse - a catastrophic implosion of the sub itself which would be horrific", Dr David Gallo says.

news.sky.com

Who would have thought that a £250k ticket was doing things on the "cheap"

 

[casper_uk]

Guess it looks like sadly they have ended up with the full on titanic experience. Ironic really, considering they have paid a fortune to visit the ship, on which the majority who died, were deemed too poor for a place aboard a lifeboat.

 

[Minusorange]

 

[OverDrive]

Would there not have been a detectable noise, audible on the surface vessel had the hull have imploded? I think I read that somewhere yesterday.

Let’s hope for a miracle in the next few hours. Perhaps it’s just snagged on something in the Titanic debris field or on the wreck, or perhaps it’s at the surface waiting to be recovered. Admittedly it seems less hopeful now, especially as we will soon be in the somewhat vague 70-96hrs of remaining oxygen window.

(I assume an ROV could help the submersible get un-snagged)

 

[413x]

You'd think.. If you're a billionaire, you'd do some research on something like this.

Because judging by the history of it.. I doubt you'd want a ride with what's been uncovered!

 

[GlitterBalls]

You'd think.. If you're a billionaire, you'd do some research on something like this.

Because judging by the history of it.. I doubt you'd want a ride with what's been uncovered!

That's my main question too? How stupid must you be to not even look into the history of the company or research problems.

 

[413x]

That's my main question too? How stupid must you be to not even look into the history of the company or research problems.

Especially if you have billions and you're a con artists jackpot.

I mean you literally have more money then you know what to do with.. You go on a extremely high risk escapade. And you don't get one of your "top men" to look into it?


Bit baffling to me.

 

[Nelly]

What the .... 200k + per person and it's being guided with a Logitech controller, tight as ....

 

[Werewolf]

Would there not have been a detectable noise, audible on the surface vessel had the hull have imploded? I think I read that somewhere yesterday.

Let’s hope for a miracle in the next few hours. Perhaps it’s just snagged on something in the Titanic debris field or on the wreck, or perhaps it’s at the surface waiting to be recovered. Admittedly it seems less hopeful now, especially as we will soon be in the somewhat vague 70-96hrs of remaining oxygen window.

(I assume an ROV could help the submersible get un-snagged)

I think it would depend on if there was anything listening for it and in range to hear it, most ships don't have the sort of operators that would do that as these days sonar is heavily/fully automated and only really interested in the return of it's own signal*, except on warships where they aren't "just" using it to have a "look" but listening for signs of other ships.

How much help an ROV would be would depend very heavily on what/where the sub might snagged and if they could reach it in time, if it's on ropes and the ROV has a cutting tool then possibly, if it's caught between two solid surfaces probably not.
IIRC most ROV's are relatively small and quite highly specialised for one or two tasks because when you're at any sort of depth it's better to keep things simple, and a device with a limited range of abilities is going to be much cheaper and easier to operate and I suspect the last thing you want to do at that depth is start trying to push knock the lost sub around to free it.


*I suspect that they actively work very hard to filter out any "junk" noise as it affects accuracy.

 

[Minusorange]

I think it would depend on if there was anything listening for it and in range to hear it, most ships don't have the sort of operators that would do that as these days sonar is heavily/fully automated and only really interested in the return of it's own signal*, except on warships where they aren't "just" using it to have a "look" but listening for signs of other ships.

One of the US military hydrophones would have picked it up, I suspect it will be days before info like that is revealed though like what happened with the San Juan

San Juan submarine: 'Explosion' dashes crew survival hopes

An "abnormal, singular, short, violent, non-nuclear event" was recorded, the Argentine navy said.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Roar87]

What the .... 200k + per person and it's being guided with a Logitech controller, tight as ....

They fly drones with Xbox controllers. There's nothing really wrong with using off the shelf tech if its fit for purpose.

 

[StriderX]

They fly drones with Xbox controllers. There's nothing really wrong with using off the shelf tech if its fit for purpose.

Drones don't usually carry a hold full of people?

A physical link (with redundancies) between a pilot and the manoeuvring elements should be a bare minimum for setting foot into a vessel going up or down several thousand feet.

 

[Rroff]

I wonder if they've given up on this or an announcement soon - at least in terms of online trackable stuff activity has dropped off.

EDIT: Dunno if related but US Army HC-130 with ident RESQ5863 seems to be moving away from the site again not sure if just duty hand over or some other reason.