** TITANX **

[Kaapstad]

This is the thing. Sell something at £1000 and you get 5000 sales. Sell the same item at £600 and you get 20000 sales. I'm sure nvidia have done their sums and I'm sure they have a whopping profit margin at current prices, I just can't help but feel they'd make more profit by selling exponentially more at a lower price. There again there might be more to it than outright profit, such as prestige that they're aiming for.

Or a shortage of GM200 chips.

 

[Squink]

If they have 50,000 units to sell, and they can sell them all at £800, then why sell them at £600?

The number of units they have to sell will be elastic according to demand

 

[iB CoMpL3XiTy]

So what about it having 3 x times the vram,bigger bus and no sli issues - or does that not have an effect on pricing?

Right on dude, no need for the sarcasm.

Yes it has 12GB of VRAM but when a game needs that amount, a single TitanX would have been out of grunt ages ago, so if you need 12GB of VRAM you also need SLI.
Having said that having more than 4GB of VRAM is a +, I never said there wasn't positives over the GTX980 other than 33% more performance, I was simply making a price / performance comparison.

 

[africanos23]

The number of units they have to sell will be elastic according to demand

When and if AMD release anything close to a "Titan Killer" at an affordable price (under £700 for the WCE or whatever the top end will be) , maybe just maybe they will think of dropping the price.

There's a reason I think we have been preordering (Nvidia isn't dumb)..

 

[ICEx21]

Because if no one bought them at the current pricing, nvidia would drop the price, making them more accessible to enthusiasts who for whatever reason don't want to spend 900 sheets on a GPU.

Yeah but once again everyone will be in a different position, some will see it as pocket change, others will see it as an investment and others may have to sell an arm and a leg but think it's totally worth it.

Not everyone will be able to afford or justify everything they want in life, doesn't mean you have to crap over someone that can get the things you want.

 

[Kaapstad]

Yeah but once again everyone will be in a different position, some will see it as pocket change, others will see it as an investment and others may have to sell an arm and a leg but think it's totally worth it.

Not everyone will be able to afford or justify everything they want in life, doesn't mean you have to crap over someone that can get the things you want.

As I am not into fast cars.

I can not find any fast women at the moment.

And fast living got boring years ago.

That just leaves fast computers.

 

[Ayahuasca]

Because if no one bought them at the current pricing, nvidia would drop the price, making them more accessible to enthusiasts who for whatever reason don't want to spend 900 sheets on a GPU.

They won't though because that's never how it will work. A percentage of people will always buy the top model of a product, even if these were over a grand an albeit smaller percentage would still buy and it's up to them what they do with their hard earned.

With your way of thinking should nobody buy even the £500 GPUs to help the <£300 portion of the market that can't afford them?

 

[StrongSad]

This is the thing. Sell something at £1000 and you get 5000 sales. Sell the same item at £600 and you get 20000 sales. I'm sure nvidia have done their sums and I'm sure they have a whopping profit margin at current prices, I just can't help but feel they'd make more profit by selling exponentially more at a lower price. There again there might be more to it than outright profit, such as prestige that they're aiming for.

They need to protect the sales of the 980 plus have a little in the bag for the 980 Ti should it arrive.

However I am surprised you can pick one up for £869. If it is as good at OC as many of the reviews said it is, that is a good price. £200 over the Kingpin 980...

I will ask a noob question though.

what is the difference between a 980 at £439 and a £659 overclocked at lets say 1520 MHz

and a TX at £869 and one at £949 overclocked to the same Mhz ???

 

[Squink]

Not everyone will be able to afford or justify everything they want in life, doesn't mean you have to crap over someone that can get the things you want.

Indeed, but ultimately all this product is doing is dragging up the price of the lower end cards for everyone. The days where the top end flagship cards were 500 notes are getting eroded. And before anyone mentions inflation, it's never applied equally to tech products as it might to a basket of food.

 

[whyscotty]

Right on dude, no need for the sarcasm.

Yes it has 12GB of VRAM but when a game needs that amount, a single TitanX would have been out of grunt ages ago, so if you need 12GB of VRAM you also need SLI.
Having said that having more than 4GB of VRAM is a +, I never said there wasn't positives over the GTX980 other than 33% more performance, I was simply making a price / performance comparison.

But you only mentioned the 33%, hence my post

Chance are, 2 cards will be required to benefit from the vram.

As there's nothing out to push it out yet, we don't know that - unless I've missed something

 

[africanos23]

They need to protect the sales of the 980 plus have a little in the bag for the 980 Ti should it arrive.

However I am surprised you can pick one up for £869. If it is as good at OC as many of the reviews said it is, that is a good price. £200 over the Kingpin 980...

I will ask a noob question though.

what is the difference between a 980 at £439 and a £659 overclocked at lets say 1520 MHz

and a TX at £869 and one at £949 overclocked to the same Mhz ???

The £659 - GTX980 would be different PCB and cooler with a higher OC (better yield) and better guarantee or a mix of above.

The £869 - Titan X is the stock clocks, the higher priced is with an OC and maybe better guarantee "better known" company or mix of things mentioned. Only the one with AIO or waterblock would differ here in terms of the cooler.

 

[iB CoMpL3XiTy]

But you only mentioned the 33%, hence my post

Chance are, 2 cards will be required to benefit from the vram.

As there's nothing out to push it out yet, we don't know that - unless I've missed something

Ok, but I also didn't mention any other negatives either, like the higher power consumption compared to the 980...
Like I said it was just a price vs performance comparison.

Anyway my original point was made awhile ago, so I'll leave it at that.

 

[whyscotty]

Ok, but I also didn't mention any other negatives either, like the higher power consumption compared to the 980...
Like I said it was just a price vs performance comparison.

Anyway my original point was made awhile ago, so I'll leave it at that.

I wasn't trying to be funny with you so apologies if I'm coming across that way

Oh no - higher power consumption

 

[setter]

Agreed, that's why I want the X. Blower cooler much better for MITX. No place for an extra RAD. Although there could be some good coolers from Sapphire / Gigabyte / MSI etc..

Msi and gb have great cooling solutions if your only using one card. Put two together and the temps are very high. There's the knock on effect of increasing overall system temps too.

 

[Muz333]

If it runs GTA V at a 16:10 1600p with iCEnhancer then I think I'll have to scrape the pennies together.

 

[Besty]

The £659 - GTX980 would be different PCB and cooler with a higher OC (better yield) and better guarantee or a mix of above.

The £869 - Titan X is the stock clocks, the higher priced is with an OC and maybe better guarantee "better known" company or mix of things mentioned. Only the one with AIO or waterblock would differ here in terms of the cooler.

Most stock 980 cards will boost up to around 1550Mhz. Above that, it is silicon lottery or, you buy an980 Kingpin to get the extra up to around 1620mhz so, I don't count a heavily priced 980 as a comparo to the Titan X, you should buy the cheapest 980 and clock it.

I run my 980's at 1500Mhz and three of them will hand two Titan X a new one in most bench circumstances but the games and drivers don't usually turn that advantage into something that you can feel in game. There are some exceptions but you are probably better off with two titan x cards rather than three 980 cards.

That said, it depends on when you bought the cards, £1300inc would have got you into three superclocked 980s on launch. That won't get you two Titan X cards now. I paid £1700inc for 4 980s - which is going to be more useful, two Titan X or four 980s? There answer is probably the former unless, game companies start providing proper, low frame-time, support for 3 and 4 cards.

 

[africanos23]

Most stock 980 cards will boost up to around 1550Mhz. Above that, it is silicon lottery or, you buy an980 Kingpin to get the extra up to around 1620mhz so, I don't count a heavily priced 980 as a comparo to the Titan X, you should buy the cheapest 980 and clock it.

I run my 980's at 1500Mhz and three of them will hand two Titan X a new one in most bench circumstances but the games and drivers don't usually turn that advantage into something that you can feel in game. There are some exceptions but you are probably better off with two titan x cards rather than three 980 cards.

That said, it depends on when you bought the cards, £1300inc would have got you into three superclocked 980s on launch. That won't get you two Titan X cards now. I paid £1700inc for 4 980s - which is going to be more useful, two Titan X or four 980s? There answer is probably the former unless, game companies start providing proper, low frame-time, support for 3 and 4 cards.

It was a simple answer for the OPs question about the differences ~ roughly.

4GB doesnt cut it for me though (4K)

I prefer stock or cheaper OCed versions then push if needed. I have been lucky over the years though

 

[VincentHanna]

I wasn't trying to be funny with you so apologies if I'm coming across that way

Oh no - higher power consumption

People did make a big thing about the AMD 290/x power consumption and the "amazing" power efficiency of the 970/980 to be fair.

It seems like that suddenly all goes out the window when it comes to Nvidia putting out a fast GPU.

 

[elmuzzy66.]

People did make a big thing about the AMD 290/x power consumption and the "amazing" power efficiency of the 970/980 to be fair.

It seems like that suddenly all goes out the window when it comes to Nvidia putting out a fast GPU.

It goes out the window because of what titanx is doing with the same power that a 290 is using.

 

[Geeman1979]

People did make a big thing about the AMD 290/x power consumption and the "amazing" power efficiency of the 970/980 to be fair.

It seems like that suddenly all goes out the window when it comes to Nvidia putting out a fast GPU.

Not really! We'll cross that bridge when real world users test and give us some results.