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TitanZ: delayed indefinitely?

LtMatt said:
Anyone know what gpu is delayed?



http://semiaccurate.com/2014/06/06/nvidia-delays-another-gpu/
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Nvidia and AMD don't release cards in a vacuum without having some knowledge of what the other is doing.
AMD resets the new pricing floor for a dual card with $1,500 in the US and instead of a usual price cutting response that we saw with the 780s when the 290 and 290x were released, we see Nvidia resetting a new pricing ceiling for dual with Titan Z at $3k in the US.
If the rumor of 20nm is true, then another rumor is shortly to follow that confirms AMD has also delayed its 20nm cards (even if there was not any direct confirmation of 20nm from either).
There may be more luv between AMD and Nvidia now than in the past....just saying....lol
 
provost said:
Nvidia and AMD don't release cards in a vacuum without having some knowledge of what the other is doing.
AMD resets the new pricing floor for a dual card with $1,500 in the US and instead of a usual price cutting response that we saw with the 780s when the 290 and 290x were released, we see Nvidia resetting a new pricing ceiling for dual with Titan Z at $3k in the US.
If the rumor of 20nm is true, then another rumor is shortly to follow that confirms AMD has also delayed its 20nm cards (even if there was not any direct confirmation of 20nm from either).
There may be more luv between AMD and Nvidia now than in the past....just saying....lol
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Well the next AMD card(based on a GPU called Tonga) is being released on 28NM,and it might be the GF 28NM process too.
 
provost said:
Nvidia and AMD don't release cards in a vacuum without having some knowledge of what the other is doing.
AMD resets the new pricing floor for a dual card with $1,500 in the US and instead of a usual price cutting response that we saw with the 780s when the 290 and 290x were released, we see Nvidia resetting a new pricing ceiling for dual with Titan Z at $3k in the US.
If the rumor of 20nm is true, then another rumor is shortly to follow that confirms AMD has also delayed its 20nm cards (even if there was not any direct confirmation of 20nm from either).
There may be more luv between AMD and Nvidia now than in the past....just saying....lol
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Nvidia released the pricing of the Titan Z before AMD set the price on the 295x2, Nvidia told everyone about Titan Z and it's $3000 price WAY before it finally launched, way way before, and long before the 295x2 was released.

It's also looking increasingly likely that AMD are moving GPU production to GF, leaving TSMC behind, so a 20nm delay at TSMC (well there isn't one), doesn't mean AMD get delayed also. Even if they are at TSMC it doesn't mean a delay. If TSMC(or any foundry) say they are doing a process starting volume production at a certain date, different companies will judge the actual availability themselves and make plans based off their guesses(because most foundries aren't accurate in terms of stating when they will be finally available :p ). So TSMC say they'll have capacity by say August, Nvidia plan to make stuff for November figuring a 2 month delay but AMD only plan on starting in January because they figure a 6 month delay. If TSMC can provide production before Jan then AMD wouldn't be delayed but Nvidia might. Either way delays for Nvidia around a new process are almost always caused by making a huge core on an immature process.

In terms of an Nvidia "delay", with every delayed gpu release(480gtx for example) they blame everyone but themselves. They blamed TSMC for the 480gtx being late publicly.... even though a half dozen companies had shipped their own 40nm products with no problem, Nvidia would still have you believe it was entirely down to TSMC that one customer had problems and the rest didn't.
 
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Gotcha. TSMC is a real pain in the neck with its favorite customers getting priority on capacity. It might not be a bad idea for Nvidia to move production to GF, sine IBM has sold its own foundries to GF. GF should be able to handle both... Kinda makes sense...to me anyway
 
drunkenmaster said:
Nvidia released the pricing of the Titan Z before AMD set the price on the 295x2, Nvidia told everyone about Titan Z and it's $3000 price WAY before it finally launched, way way before, and long before the 295x2 was released.

It's also looking increasingly likely that AMD are moving GPU production to GF, leaving TSMC behind, so a 20nm delay at TSMC (well there isn't one), doesn't mean AMD get delayed also. Even if they are at TSMC it doesn't mean a delay. If TSMC(or any foundry) say they are doing a process starting volume production at a certain date, different companies will judge the actual availability themselves and make plans based off their guesses(because most foundries aren't accurate in terms of stating when they will be finally available :p ). So TSMC say they'll have capacity by say August, Nvidia plan to make stuff for November figuring a 2 month delay but AMD only plan on starting in January because they figure a 6 month delay. If TSMC can provide production before Jan then AMD wouldn't be delayed but Nvidia might. Either way delays for Nvidia around a new process are almost always caused by making a huge core on an immature process.

In terms of an Nvidia "delay", with every delayed gpu release(480gtx for example) they blame everyone but themselves. They blamed TSMC for the 480gtx being late publicly.... even though a half dozen companies had shipped their own 40nm products with no problem, Nvidia would still have you believe it was entirely down to TSMC that one customer had problems and the rest didn't.
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Has anyone ever invited you to a party or to a pub for a beer or two ?
 
provost said:
Gotcha. TSMC is a real pain in the neck with its favorite customers getting priority on capacity. It might not be a bad idea for Nvidia to move production to GF, sine IBM has sold its own foundries to GF. GF should be able to handle both... Kinda makes sense...to me anyway
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I wouldn't say that, two of TSMC's favourite customers were probably AMD and Nvidia as large gpu's with low yields are just about the perfect chips(usually) for ramping up a new process. A 290/780 type cores don't need 100million chips, they are pretty low volume, likewise low yield and higher cost per core can be far more readily absorbed into a $200 chip than a $15 chip with a tiny tiny margin.

Apple didn't use TSMC(recently speaking, I don't know about in the past), they just had money, TSMC dumped their usual customers to favour the bigger pockets even though by all accounts Apple is going right back to a combination of Samsung and GloFo probably before 14nm. For me TSMC threw their long term customers under the bus to offer Apple everything in an attempt to secure them long term and they didn't even manage that.

Apple don't care about losing margins as they make their own chips and make insane margins on the devices so losing $10 per chip to lower yields doesn't matter to them.

I can understand wanting Apple as a customer but throwing their long term customers away to favour a short term deal seems stupid.
 
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LtMatt said:
Not to be rude, but that's the sort of thing a few say about VideoCardz as well.
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Sometimes you can't confirm everything. You can either risk spreading misinformation or wait for solid proof.
These days I have much better sources, so it's easier to distinguish nonsense from facts.
At least we don't ask people to pay to read it... :rolleyes:
 
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