What's the 18th and 21st amendments?
Just out of curiosity of course, I'm not so well versed on the foundations of America so help me out.
Today's mass shooting in the US
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What's the 18th and 21st amendments?
Just out of curiosity of course, I'm not so well versed on the foundations of America so help me out.
Stopped and held at gunpoint by an off duty fireman with a concealed carry permit. I thought guns were never used in this way???!!???!
To violate a 2nd amendment abiding citizens rights?
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You're right, you arent. You're suggesting alcohol has some sort of relevance in protecting free speech and against a tyrannical government.
Really clutching at straws here arent you? I cant wait to read your next unrelated extreme comparison.
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Stopped and held at gunpoint by an off duty fireman with a concealed carry permit. I thought guns were never used in this way???!!???!
It happens, but it very rarely. Hence:
The current status of US gun laws, ladies and gentlemen:
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While the statistics are seemingly difficult to come by, it would appear that most gun related homicides are carried out by by people that have the gun illegally in the 1st place though. A crackdown on current gun ownership/rights in the US would effect those that have purchased through all the legal channels, and not the criminals. As tragic as mass shootings are they are statistical outliers.
Could more be done to ensure people cant purchase a weapon when they shouldnt? Sure. Raise the legal age to 25 for one, I do think its a bit strange that in some states you can buy a gun but cant drink for example. The 2nd amendment is so woven into the American fabric that no matter what people do its going to be met with pushback from both sides.
As to the Dayton shooter, it sure seems he was a leftist nut, as more is uncovered regarding his social media posts the more you have a guy thats been 'radicalised' by the media. Of course they wont go digging into his motives as they are complicit in his actions.
Its not going to get any better any time soon either, people are getting pushed to fringes of the political spectrum thanks to the media and the rhetoric of those in Congress (both sides). Hell its only taken a few scant months to go from milshakes to cement mixer in mikshakes to some antifa nut trying to firebomb a ICE facility to now a mass shooter.
Could more be done to ensure people cant purchase a weapon when they shouldnt? Sure. Raise the legal age to 25 for one, I do think its a bit strange that in some states you can buy a gun but cant drink for example. The 2nd amendment is so woven into the American fabric that no matter what people do its going to be met with pushback from both sides.
As to the Dayton shooter, it sure seems he was a leftist nut, as more is uncovered regarding his social media posts the more you have a guy thats been 'radicalised' by the media. Of course they wont go digging into his motives as they are complicit in his actions.
Its not going to get any better any time soon either, people are getting pushed to fringes of the political spectrum thanks to the media and the rhetoric of those in Congress (both sides). Hell its only taken a few scant months to go from milshakes to cement mixer in mikshakes to some antifa nut trying to firebomb a ICE facility to now a mass shooter.
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Yes, but the margin between the percentage who obtain them legally and the percentage who obtain them illegally is not substantial.
People who have purchased through the legal channels also become criminals. So it would affect everyone, not just criminals.
Outliers in what way?
'The Looser a State's Gun Laws, the More Mass Shootings It Has.'
The media has been all over this guy's motives from day one, I don't know where you're getting the idea that they're trying to ignore the issue. And the media is no more or less complicit in this guy's actions than they are in the actions of the Trump supporters who've committed mass shootings.
90% illegally / 10% legally. Sure seems a substantial difference.
see above
Less than 0.1% of gun related deaths in the US - I should clarify, mass shootings that make the news - school shootings, nut jobs like the 2 last weekend.
Can you show me anything from the big media with left leaning ideals where they have dug into the Dayton shooter, compared to the El Paso shooter. I think you'll struggle tbh
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You don't always need guns to overpower a shooter e.g.
BBC News - Norway mosque shooting: Man opens fire on Al-Noor Islamic Centre
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-49308016
BBC News - Norway mosque shooting: Man opens fire on Al-Noor Islamic Centre
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-49308016
Is it a chance you'd be willing to take though?
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I think so; I'd be willing to risk banning guns ourltright (unless justifyable reason to own them) as there would be less chance of such attacks in the first place.
Theres no guarentee there would be
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It would be awesome to increase short term murders
How many gun related homocides have we had here?
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Well in America, gun-related killings make up 73% of all homicides.
In the UK, it's 3%
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41488081
Yes guns used by gangs etc.. but the large legal market also allows for a large illegal market in the first place, there is much less availability in the UK for example. They're much harder to get hold of unless you're a gang member/full time drug dealer. Even the London Bridge terrorists had to use knives.
Certainly the autistic/bullied kid who hates everyone at his school can't just flip out, steal a relative's semi auto rifle and go on a rampage as per the USA.
Yup, but the NRA is often a bit of an obstacle in terms of opposition to even sensible laws that most gun owners would tend to agree with.
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Has banning knifes had any effect here?
Oh wait it's at the highest rate since records began in 1946.
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I think the estimates are approx. 600 million guns in the US isnt it? So the 'lol ban guns' crowd is just silly, theres also the constitution to argue against. The 'school shooter' is a tiny minority of gun deaths, and then theres also the counter arguement of just how much death/sexual assualt gun ownership prevents - I think someone else linked the FBI's best guess of 300,000 to a few million every year a few pages back.
Sensible discussion over gun ownership should be on the agenda, but so should the root cause of what contributes to someone going on a shooting spree. As I've said before, age/proper mental health help/social media/political polerisation should all be looked into. To just blame the deaths on guns is asinine.
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Only 7000 firearm offences in England and Wales last year, that Ban seems to be working well, it's almost as if you dont care about the law if you want to commit a crime???!