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Here's the press conference. He doesn't mince his words on why it happened.
https://fb.watch/5UAcgrCFdJ/
https://fb.watch/5UAcgrCFdJ/
Today's mass shooting in the US
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Certainly doesn't pull his punches. Though doesn't touch on the fact the kids were able to walk into a house and seemingly easy get their hands on firearms which is as much a part of the problem as is the mental health service side of it. (Neither does any of the press ask that kind of question).
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Time to send in Ed209.
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Yeah they should have been in a gun safe, but sadly you get people leaving firearms lying around. One of my employees had a gun in each room of his house, just in case..
Yeah I get there is the consideration of access in a home defence situation but still even just the simple things like having weapons better secured would vastly reduce the number of firearm incidents in the US.
It is telling the Sheriff was quite happy to blast the mental health services, etc. (and rightly so) but never once touched on the fact they were seemingly able to get their hands on a AK47 type variant (not sure what the weapon actually was but I'm guessing an AK lookalike in semi-automatic) so easily.
A semi-auto rifle is what it is, the fact that it's shaped like the "bad guy gun (AK)" from the movies is irrelevant. Semi-auto rifles are legal and very suitable for home defence, and it's generally a right for Americans to have them, so that's why the Sheriff didn't criticise the firearm.
It certainly happens, never gets any mainstream press though: https://www.personaldefenseworld.com/2021/05/arkansas-active-shooter-stopped/
But that doesn't mean there will always be a "good guy with a gun" at every opportunity.
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The good guys was there with guns and had a great result.
What you should have said was "Good job they have guns to protect people" or "Just imagine if the cops never had guns. They would be dead"
Or you could say it was entirely avoidable had there been no guns for these kids to find laying about...
My point isn't about criticism of the firearm. But I was hoping/assuming it was an AK variant or lookalike rather than the home owner had a fully automatic AK47 left lying about unsecured (some do own such https://youtu.be/6bM00rwpjEs?t=528 ).
Fair enough. The AK will almost certainly be semi-auto only, yes there are civilians with automatic AKs (and many other auto firearms), but those that own them aren't likely to just leave them laying around. The one in the video will probably be:
1) A registered pre 1986 NFA firearm, which are very expensive (usually 5 figures minimum) and only owned by serious collectors. The crime rate with these firearms is extremely low.
2) The owner is a Class III manufacturer (dealer) or similar, or the rifle is a "dealer sample" which can be acquired with authorization from the police so you can demonstrate it to them.
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pat yourself on the back
It's the liberal courts sending them to the wrong place.
But I hope things change.
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it's almost like it's possible to introduce firearm control measures that both reduce firearm related crime and allow serious enthusiasts to own and use those same types of firearms.....
if only they'd figure out it doesn't just work with machine guns......
But the barrier is largely wealth. If you aren't a felon and have $20,000, you can buy a machine gun.
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that's the point though, a barrier in place that requires some dedication to overcome results in lower rates of crime.
there are other ways of doing it than monetary ofc, but the point is the more difficult you make it to get [type of gun] the less crime [type of gun] will be involved in.
https://youtu.be/8y8DMBhASso?t=396
Oof that could have gone badly wrong (choice of words). The whole video is incredibly depressing. Fortunately it didn't have a more tragic outcome.
Yup, at the end of the day if the US is a society which wants relatively relaxed gun laws that is their business but it is incredibly depressing when even a few tweaks, which largely won't impact law abiding people's ability to own and enjoy the use of firearms, would reduce homicides and accidents with firearms by somewhere in the order of 75%.
Oof that could have gone badly wrong (choice of words). The whole video is incredibly depressing. Fortunately it didn't have a more tragic outcome.
Yup, at the end of the day if the US is a society which wants relatively relaxed gun laws that is their business but it is incredibly depressing when even a few tweaks, which largely won't impact law abiding people's ability to own and enjoy the use of firearms, would reduce homicides and accidents with firearms by somewhere in the order of 75%.
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What tweaks are you suggesting?
These kids didn’t have $20k, so no, it’s not a barrier.
Maybe some sort of guns safety storage laws?
(Hardly feasible in the USA)
Was an interesting piece on the American war of independence and the myths of the war.
One of which was the illusion of the roll of the citizens and thier militias ability to combat the government at the time, which has had far lasting consequences.
Basically the propaganda at the time and indeed now potray it as a bunch of rag tag citizens and thier militias wining the war, not the continental army or French army/navy as was the actual case, the militias etc and indeed the continental army would have got no where at the end without french assistance.
The right to bear arms,as the government didn't want to pay for a standing army at the time led to this propaganda ( if I remembered right ) becoming mainstream, a cheap way to say, hey we don't need to pay for defense...
Roll on today and how many of the pro gun lobby / far right want weapons in case they need to combat the government, after all, they look to their history of similarly minded people from the war if independence as an example of their paranoia and fears and how they could be the next glorified freedom/resistance fighters...
One of which was the illusion of the roll of the citizens and thier militias ability to combat the government at the time, which has had far lasting consequences.
Basically the propaganda at the time and indeed now potray it as a bunch of rag tag citizens and thier militias wining the war, not the continental army or French army/navy as was the actual case, the militias etc and indeed the continental army would have got no where at the end without french assistance.
The right to bear arms,as the government didn't want to pay for a standing army at the time led to this propaganda ( if I remembered right ) becoming mainstream, a cheap way to say, hey we don't need to pay for defense...
Roll on today and how many of the pro gun lobby / far right want weapons in case they need to combat the government, after all, they look to their history of similarly minded people from the war if independence as an example of their paranoia and fears and how they could be the next glorified freedom/resistance fighters...