Which also makes low tech attacks more viable.
Today's mass shooting in the US
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Which also makes low tech attacks more viable.
Caporegime
They'll just move to:-
Malls
Soccer Practice
Theme parks
or just plainly on the streets, what are you going to do then? free gun for everyone to defend themselves?
Malls
Soccer Practice
Theme parks
or just plainly on the streets, what are you going to do then? free gun for everyone to defend themselves?
Soldato
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43164634
wow, that must be so wounding for the parents, the smallest chance an armed officer was anywhere near that school, then, for him not to do anything, bad like
wow, that must be so wounding for the parents, the smallest chance an armed officer was anywhere near that school, then, for him not to do anything, bad like
Problem is even assuming he didn't freeze up, etc. he has no idea how many gunmen, what he is walking into, when backup might arrive, etc. its part of why the whole idea of arming teachers will accomplish very little.
Soldato
Of course, that's why cops need better training in the USA, point still stands, he took an oath to server and uphold, he didn't do that, and, that must be a wrecker for the families.
People are forgetting that the massacre at Fort Hood Army base in 2009. An ARMY BASE. Where many soldiers are routinely armed or carry weapons. Where weapons are NOT in short supply. But in this case Army personnel didn't routinely carry firearms in accordance with Army policy and the assailant, a US Army Major, was shot by a civilian police officer. It doesn't matter where or when a mass shooting is going to happen and I doubt any thought of a teacher being armed will stop them. They'll just wear body armour or bring more guns. And, surely, a teachers first priority is the safety of their students, not hunting down a heavily armed shooter in a game of hide and seek? The mantra is ALWAYS Lock/barricade the door, stay hidden, stay quiet, alert the authorities. As it should be, teachers armed or not. To say an armed Teacher or teachers, and I'm quite sure many will not carry a firearm, will stop a shooting like this is ridiculous nonsense.
There was an Armed Guard at the Florida shooting. He stayed outside the school and did not make ANY attempt to approach, identify or engage the shooter. It wouldn't make any difference if there were ten armed guards, their priority is saving the children and staff, not hunting down an active shooter. Leave it to the professionals and get clear of the site.
There was an Armed Guard at the Florida shooting. He stayed outside the school and did not make ANY attempt to approach, identify or engage the shooter. It wouldn't make any difference if there were ten armed guards, their priority is saving the children and staff, not hunting down an active shooter. Leave it to the professionals and get clear of the site.
He worked full time at the school! That's how he was at the building within 90 seconds, it wasn't a small chance.
A police officer is a 'professional' so to speak, especially with regards to tackling a criminal.
I suspect if there were 10 then it would make a difference, much higher chance that one or more of them would have intervened. (Not that it would be practical to employ 10 full time at a school)
To be fair that shouldn't really matter in this situation given the obvious seriousness and urgency of it. Sure if it were some hostage situation etc.. then no doubt he'd want to wait for a specialist unit to arrive, but an active shooter killing kids, there isn't any time. He shouldn't be working as a police officer after this.
For me it really highlights the fact we're all human.
You hear stories like this from war, where people are ordered to attack, or end up taking the brunt of an enemy offensive - the first time they just freeze up, literally mess their pants and go into shock the first time they have to face total carnage.
I don't think any amount of training could prepare someone to deal with the sorts of things that would happen in a mass school shooting, it's easy to sit in an armchair all safe and comfortable - thinking rationally with a level head what someone should or should not do, in reality we'd probably all **** ourselves, no matter what training we had.
You hear stories like this from war, where people are ordered to attack, or end up taking the brunt of an enemy offensive - the first time they just freeze up, literally mess their pants and go into shock the first time they have to face total carnage.
I don't think any amount of training could prepare someone to deal with the sorts of things that would happen in a mass school shooting, it's easy to sit in an armchair all safe and comfortable - thinking rationally with a level head what someone should or should not do, in reality we'd probably all **** ourselves, no matter what training we had.
True we have little idea what his thought process or circumstances were - few people react like their training the first time **** gets real though some degree of freezing up or indecision is normal. No one really knows how they will react until it happens.
Soldato
The arming of teachers is obviously a bad idea.
Pupils sit down for class, get books out of their bags. One gets a gun out along with his homework, executes his armed teacher and Mayhem ensues.
Alternstively a pupil shoots a class mate. Instantly the class descends into chaos. The armed teacher fumbles around to get their concealed weapon. In the panic takes shots at the crowded room to hit who they hope is the shooter.
I have literally no idea how anyone intelligent would push to arm teachers.
Pupils sit down for class, get books out of their bags. One gets a gun out along with his homework, executes his armed teacher and Mayhem ensues.
Alternstively a pupil shoots a class mate. Instantly the class descends into chaos. The armed teacher fumbles around to get their concealed weapon. In the panic takes shots at the crowded room to hit who they hope is the shooter.
I have literally no idea how anyone intelligent would push to arm teachers.
Caporegime
This.
Sounds like a case of cowardice to me. I’d be fuming at him if I was one of the parents.
Soldato
My that’s a predicament for trump and the NRA that there was a armed police officer at the school with all their arm schools talk.
Not sure where others stand but I don’t blame the police officer for not intervening (maybe need to think about it some more) but he isn’t 007, he’s working full time at a school for goodness sake. He serves as a deterrent and to deal with minor incidents, not to take on guys with assault rifles and a death wish with his pistol. They don’t get paid enough, probably trained enough to deal with a situation like that, 50/50 you’re going to die. I would at most expect him to shepard people to safety and wait for backup, anything above and beyond would be a bonus.
Not sure where others stand but I don’t blame the police officer for not intervening (maybe need to think about it some more) but he isn’t 007, he’s working full time at a school for goodness sake. He serves as a deterrent and to deal with minor incidents, not to take on guys with assault rifles and a death wish with his pistol. They don’t get paid enough, probably trained enough to deal with a situation like that, 50/50 you’re going to die. I would at most expect him to shepard people to safety and wait for backup, anything above and beyond would be a bonus.
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You don't know what his orders were. Apparently the security guard has resigned due to the outrage about it. Scenarios of shootings like this have shown that a guard armed with a pistol will be killed by an attacker armed with an automatic rifle.
It's unfortunate that this guard was unable to stop the shooter but to start putting blame on him is despicable.
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An elastic band can do the same job. You wrap an elastic band around the trigger and the forces of the rifle act on the elastic band causing the trigger to reset and bounce of the shooter's finger. It's effectively the same way a tac-trigger works.
https://youtu.be/PVfwFP_RwTQ
People who want to find ways of getting around the law will do that. That's what I mean by banning the bump stock being dumb. It will achieve nothing. Even banning assault rifles will do nothing to rid Americans of their murderous intent.
Soldato
Its a minor step but just because bad things happen it doesnt mean people shouldn't at least try to regulate things.
Until America decide to become more strict on gun control this whole thing continues as usual and we will never know if things can improve.
They cant get much worse.
Soldato
So this is why the answer cant be to arm teachers
An actual law enforcement officer was present and didnt go in and stop it, and is now being treated as a coward
What teacher is going to want to take his place?
Have the responsability for having a weapon around loads of kids
Possibly have to go chasing after bad guys in a shoot out to the death (for one of you, including having to execute one of your own students)
Possibly fail to stop them in time and you are a complete coward
When you actually signed up just to teach some kids science or maths or geography now you are part Navy Seal part SWAT team?
Not much of a deterrent either - didnt stop the kid attacking knowing an actual Sherrif is posted at the school, how is an armed teacher going to be better?
An actual law enforcement officer was present and didnt go in and stop it, and is now being treated as a coward
What teacher is going to want to take his place?
Have the responsability for having a weapon around loads of kids
Possibly have to go chasing after bad guys in a shoot out to the death (for one of you, including having to execute one of your own students)
Possibly fail to stop them in time and you are a complete coward
When you actually signed up just to teach some kids science or maths or geography now you are part Navy Seal part SWAT team?
Not much of a deterrent either - didnt stop the kid attacking knowing an actual Sherrif is posted at the school, how is an armed teacher going to be better?