Today's mass shooting in the US

Yeah lot of educational and historical channels hit by the letter of the changes :(

Lots of weird stories going around on this one. Possibly disgruntled ex-employee tried to shoot their supervisor maybe with mixed reports it might be a women - not seen anything verified.
 
StriderX said:
Ahh yes, Logan Paul is allowed to do whatever the **** he likes with a tiny slap on the wrist, small time gun channels that are legitimately alright are supposed to just go to hell though? Yup CONSISTENT.
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What I like is the inconsistency between the new regulations for firearms stuff while they are quite happy to spam me with gambling ads which are far more likely to ruin my life - or in a bigger context far more likely to have a negative impact on society if I was to be fussy about it. Funny enough my first comment about that elsewhere, in seeming complete seriousness, was "no one has been killed by gambling" - seriously someone replied with that.

But I suspect the gambling industry is a bigger income source for YT than the firearms industry.
 
Angilion said:
It's much worse than that. Historical channels and science channels have been entirely disabled (not just one or some videos, the entire channel) without explanation. The appeal system is barely functional even for channels large enough to have special access to Youtube support (special access which still appears to be bots rather than people) and it generally requires mass complaining from users to get the channel checked by a person and reinstated. There is never an explanation given for anything - content creators aren't told why Youtube has taken any action against them and it's possible that nobody at Youtube knows since it's almost entirely done by bots. Political views are even riskier. Describing that as "cracking down on hate speech" is either a lie, a delusion regarding what hate speech is or complete ignorance of what is happening.
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Several of the big channels I'm subscribed to have been organising communications so that they have a lot of people who can complain to add weight of numbers in the event of stuff like this - most of them so far have just had the odd video completely removed or a channel demonetised with no explanation and a struggle to get anywhere with dealing with it - so they want a lot of people who'll make a noise if their entire channel with like 4+ million plus subscribers gets hit.

Couple of them have tried going elsewhere but as one said - they get 400K views in barely 24 hours on YT and lucky to break 4K views on other sites.

Sad state of affairs that a big site operates like that.
 
BBC said:
The suspect was previously held for breaching the security barrier at the White House in 2017. He told Secret Service officers that he had a right to "inspect the grounds" and that he wanted to meet President Donald Trump.

Authorities confiscated weapons from Mr Reinking after the White House incident, giving them instead to his father. One of those weapons was reportedly an AR-15, which was the gun used in the Waffle House shooting.
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BBC said:
Mr Reinking reportedly suffers from mental health problems, and has had run-ins with the police related to these issues.
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What could possibly go wrong...
 
Almost always the case with gun enthusiast conventions - couple of big ones with IIRC F1 Firearms recently where only people with concealed carry permits were allowed to bring their guns and heavy police and armed security present on the doors.
 
Just saw that come up on the news. Hopefully with the recent events this isn't a sign of a rising number of people taking matters into their own hands in the US.
 
Uther said:
Thread title should be changed to 'Today's mass shooting in the US'.
RIP to all concerned, but nothing will change and the carnage will continue.
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It is getting ridiculously frequent this year - firearms related incidents have always been relatively high in the US but I don't recall as regular mass shootings of the general public - usually much more criminal elements like gang stuff, etc. though not sure how much of that is my perception versus reality.
 
Johno please? said:
That's why you would train, and train, and train until you're like bloody john wick with that thing, I would anyway.

Great anecdotes, (ok I didn't literally mean all of them) I could probably list equal or more that happen in gun free zones though. So you wouldn't want a gun on you if someone walks into a bar and starts opening fire?
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Doesn't help much though if you don't have time to react - the shooter already has an advantage because they know what they are doing and probably has gone for their gun long before you do especially if you are say sitting at a restaurant or bar with your back to where the shooter comes from, etc. then there is the problem of identifying and engaging the shooter which in a confused situation is often not clear cut at all - especially if someone else pulls out their gun to engage the shooter and you can't immediately tell them apart from the shooter and so on.
 
thedoc46 said:
You're not allowed to take your firearm with you into a bar or restaurant serving alcohol in most if not all states. For obvious reasons... I'm not sure of the legality of what would happen if you did and took out the shooter, being that you illegally had your firearm with you. They seem to be pretty strict on gunlaws when you're not allowed. Example a women fired off a couple of warning shots to her aggressive husband and got 20yrs or something.
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Some states you are allowed if you aren't drinking, other states have pretty extreme implementations where technically it is illegal to have a firearm on your person or even in the vehicle if you are going to or from a place serving alcohol whether you drink or not :s
 
Werewolf said:
*It often seems US police training puts a lot of emphasis on "removing the threat", but very little on "Identifying the correct threat", let alone "confirming the threat" - hence the regular shooting of pet dogs that are tied up, people carrying water pistols, phones, wallets, nothing.
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In my experience US police are jumpy as **** and probably with good reason to be fair but that doesn't help when they shoot an innocent person.

As I've mentioned before had a US state trooper pull his gun on me once in what would have been quite unremarkable circumstances in the UK.
 
The Funktopus said:
I suppose if they used one of those electric carving knives, that’d count as a semi-automatic knife? Dunno what they’d do about plugging it in if they had to chase their victim down though. :eek:
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Probably low enough wattage you could run one quite awhile from a power bank with AC output.
 
Screeeech said:
This is absolute, total, pure and utter nonsense.

A police standard pistol, (Glock 22) has a muzzle velocity of around 1200 feet per second.

An AR-15 has a muzzle velocity of around 3300 feet per second. (almost three times faster)

A bullet traveling from a pistol like a glock 22, will have a tendency to cut a hole through a victim and come out the other side intact, or embed itself in the victim intact - which makes the damage more survivable, because such injuries can be dealt with more easily by medical teams.

A bullet travelling from an AR-15 or rifle, in general is carrying around three times more kinetic energy than that from the pistol, because it's travelling three times faster. The result is that when the bullet impacts the victim, it breaks apart and when that energy dissipates through the target - it causes a tremendous amount of damage, internal organs can be literally blown to bits to the point where they're unidentifiable, essentially - the wounds in question are more closely related to what you'd find on a battlefield, and tend to be far less survivable than from a regular pistol injury.

Don't take my word for it - you can read the account of a Radiologist, who treated the victims of the Parkland massacre for yourself;

https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...land-should-change-the-debate-on-guns/553937/

I put it to you - and anybody who wants to argue it; that an AR15 has no useful purpose in a civilised society, other than the efficient, easy destruction of people.
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It is a lot more complicated than that - frangible v non-frangible rounds (and all the complications of hollow points, FMJ, penetrators, etc.), distance and any conditions that might induce tumbling, quality of the rounds themselves such as reloads or aging powder, etc. then you have stuff like the FN 557 with its .224 ammo.

Not to mention there are all kinds of handgun calibres from slow big mass rounds through to tiny fast ones and so on.
 
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C.R.A.Z.Y said:
Another day another shooting, nothing will be done though :-(
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Looks like one of the rounds either exit through the roof or hit something up there on the top left :s whoever filmed potentially lucky he wasn't generally shooting in their direction.

EDIT: Though might just have been the percussive effect if shooting in a confined space pushing dust, etc. out.
 
fez said:
I'm genuinely curious what is needed before America will look at guns themselves being in some way responsible for mass shootings.

Its almost a joke how they deal with these things by trying to grasp at any straw that doesn't have a gun at the end of it.
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timmeh said:
Trump blames the internet and video games. Is he not aware that the same video games are available elsewhere in the world, in countries that don't have mass shootings?

He even got the name of the city wrong (said Toledo instead of Dayton).

A perfect display of how to read from a teleprompter, completely devoid of any emotion.
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There are other countries that have both video games and a relative high civilian ownership of firearms that don't have these mass shootings...
 
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