Today's mass shooting in the US

Roar87 said:
.50cal M240B
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Also I'm not sure where you can legally carry a fully automatic machinegun - there are some people with grandfathered rights but not sure off the top of my head what the rules are in terms of open carry. Some people do legally have semi-automatic conversions.
 
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Washout said:
Most of the people that go on these sprees were perfectly law abiding. Up until the point they weren't.
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The bulk of gun violence in the US is carried out by gangs, etc. not legally abiding citizens but these high profile mass shootings are often carried out by those that legally held firearms but in many cases in pretty much any other country in the world, even ones with relative high civilian ownership of firearms, they'd have been far, far less likely to have legally held a firearm and much less chance of having access at all.
 
ElliorR said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-49447335

A school being rebuilt with bullet proof barriers and curved corridors to help in the event of a shooting incident.

At what point do they wake up and realise there is a huge issue with guns in the US? Only when an Ivy League school gets shot up? ******* idiots.
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Are they sending their kids to school or prison?

And doors that can be locked wholesale across the estate at the press of a button... what can possibly go wrong?
 
Nasher said:
Nothing says they have to allow ammo. The right to bear arms doesn't even specify guns. It's purely the gun lobby keeping it going.
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Doesn't really wash - the constitutional right is, contrary to some interpretations, about preventing the impeding of the ability for citizens to form (if required) an effective militia - if firearms are a are a necessary part of that so would be ammunition.

Interesting note about the Texas Midland/Odessa shootings the shooter was actually barred at a federal level from buying guns but seems to have been able to acquire them through private sales :( like I've said before it wouldn't take much more than some common sense tweaks and enforcement of the laws to reduce the frequency of these kind of incidents in the US by a huge percentage - the current system just makes it too easy.
 
Nasher said:
I think that sort of shootout is perfectly normal in the US so isnt news.
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Turned out a little less usual than your average "gangbanger" who "ain't going back to prison" incident but still less news than when someone goes shooting civilians.
 
Never really know how it might have gone down otherwise but looks like one of the church security team initiates it by reaching for his gun while the shooter is covering him already with his shotgun?

The same old problem though that the shooter went in their with some kind of intention while armed civilians are on the back foot and hesitate to shoot first.
 
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Evangelion said:
Yes, and the attacker only killed 2 people despite being armed with six fully loaded handguns. He was taken down by two unarmed people, one of whom he had already shot. Handgun laws were tightened in response, and we've never had an incident like it again.

Australia's track record still beats the USA's in every department.
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Very different country though - I suspect even if firearm ownership in Australia was as prevalent as it is in the US it would still have significantly lower number of firearms incidents. There is a lot the US could do without significantly altering the actual firearm ownership side of it.

deuse said:
He was a security guard.

Churches in the US have been hiring off duty police and security guards for years.
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While I doubt he went in there with a shotgun to deliver a sermon so to speak - the shooter only started shooting in reaction to what looked like one guy going for a weapon (he covered him with the shotgun for a good 5 seconds until the guy reached as if going for a weapon) - odd situation all around in that respect though as there was obviously at least 5-6 people packing guns in there so dunno what the shooter was expecting to happen - one way or another that wasn't ending happily.
 
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Ahleckz said:
I find it very strange that people want to watch the video. It's a video of people being shot and killed, why on earth would you want to watch this? I think this trivialising of death and serious injury is desensitising people and may be making these attacks more common.

I know I'm almost at the stage of blaming computer games, but watching real vidoes depicting real death seems wrong.
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Personally I don't tend to rush to watch stuff like that but there is a longer range CCTV feed of the incident that between various news sites using clips from I had pretty much seen most of it anyway (and already knew what I was going to see).
 
timmeh said:
it’s starting to concern me now as we’re getting more and more shootings where we didn’t used to get them. Someone was shot at near the local bowling alley because she had pulled off the road and the car behind couldn’t get past. There have been 4 or 5 different shootings just in the past week or two.

Nothing will change though so maybe it’s time I get a carry permit.
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In my opinion more often than not fatalities happen in altercations because more than one party was armed - generally the gun is (stupidly) drawn to intimidate rather than to kill (though obviously not always the case). Home invasion type scenario one of the few situations where a firearm could potentially make the difference as the situation more often is clearer cut and with the law being what it is there much less hesitation on the part of the home owner.
 
Local TV station NBC DFW reported that Kinnunen had a criminal record including charges of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon in 2009.
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Another one that probably could have been avoided with some common sense gun laws without the need for getting rid of guns :|
 
Roar87 said:
Their constitution states: "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed". Quite obviously these laws are designed to infringe; why is it even a surprise that they're protesting?

"Shall not be infringed" doesn't mean you can make tiny laws that slightly infringe them because they're "completely reasonable"
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If you took that interpretation though then there shouldn't be any control - no banning of automatic weapons, etc. etc. it needs to be looked at IMO in the context of the militia aspect - that doesn't mean people have to be part of a militia but that the context of infringement needs to be weighed against the facilitating of the ability to form an effective militia.
 
Angilion said:
I had a quick look at what explosive is used for modern bullets. It was being made by individuals in makeshift labs in the 19th century. It's not that much more high tech than gunpowder and you need less of it. It could be made at home. It wouldn't be safe to make it at home, but it could be done. So your plan would result in some more explosions too.
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Yeah - my dad with his chemistry knowledge could knock up a perfectly functioning if rather crude firearm with stuff that is normally around the house such as piping and various cleaning chemicals, etc. if it came to it hah - though these days they have taken steps to make that harder (not necessarily with intentions towards thwarting the production of DIY firearms).
 
Mr Jack said:
A country that is okay with having children do "active shooter drills" as a normal part of life is simply not capable of good decision making.
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I don't know how widespread it is but some schools do cover an active shooter scenario in this country and we do a "in the event of terrorism" including active shooter drills every 6 months where I work.

I had a laugh as I was doing a course involving velocity wounds with the example of a gunshot wound and the trainer laughingly pointed to the part of rural Somerset I work as if it would never happen here - with all the farmers, etc. we are probably amongst the more heavily armed parts of the country for civilians - accidental gunshot wounds probably not entirely unlikely.
 
MissChief said:
I've gone back a week and so many kids finding guns, so many indiscriminate shootings, so many people pulling guns over petty squabbles over parking spaces. They can keep their guns, I'm very very glad they've been banned over here.
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Video somewhere of two neighbours having a dispute, full on belligerence, popping off shots at each other, if it wasn't so serious would be funny. Both take several hits but fortunately (or unfortunately depending how you look at it) neither was badly wounded.

EDIT: Similar one here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cj03Ij394nc

First one was on ******** but seems they've changed the site.
 
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