Today's mass shooting in the US

indup said:
genuine , i dont understand how he can be accused of being anti semitic.
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Firstly i will start off by saying that Trump didn't give his daughter to anyone, she chose to marry Jared. I would also add that Trump probably doesn't outright hate any particular race or religion but he certainly does generalize, stereotype, prejudge other ethnicitys and cultures - what can you expect from a man so removed from reality by wealth and class.

For Trump, wealth and power comes first. If he thinks it is a good deal, he would sell his daughter for it. Luckily for Trump, his daughter found a partner who is linked to a multi-billion dollar real estate business to match hers. The couple broke up early in the relationship due to religion but got back together after she converted.

Trump described the match in an interview with Jewish Insider as "the best deal we ever made!" Kushner also referred to the couple's dynamic in business terms, calling Trump, "the CEO of the household."
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Avenged7Fold said:
Firstly i will start off by saying that Trump didn't give his daughter to anyone, she chose to marry Jared.
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But surely as such an evidently misogynistic man, Trump would be the one who made her marry.

I would also add that Trump probably doesn't outright hate any particular race or religion but he certainly does generalize, stereotype, prejudge other ethnicitys and cultures
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But Safe Space Corner says he is: Racist/Sexist/Homphobic/Islamophobic/Anti-Semitic/Transphobic/Xenophobic

can you expect from a man so removed from reality by wealth and class.
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Who's world is real?

For Trump, wealth and power comes first. If he thinks it is a good deal, he would sell his daughter for it. Luckily for Trump, his daughter found a partner who is linked to a multi-billion dollar real estate business to match hers. The couple broke up early in the relationship due to religion but got back together after she converted.
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Or in their world the dynasty is ensured. Hypergamy is a demonstrable element of choice (in most cases)
 
Avenged7Fold said:
Firstly i will start off by saying that Trump didn't give his daughter to anyone, she chose to marry Jared. I would also add that Trump probably doesn't outright hate any particular race or religion but he certainly does generalize, stereotype, prejudge other ethnicitys and cultures - what can you expect from a man so removed from reality by wealth and class.

For Trump, wealth and power comes first. If he thinks it is a good deal, he would sell his daughter for it. Luckily for Trump, his daughter found a partner who is linked to a multi-billion dollar real estate business to match hers. The couple broke up early in the relationship due to religion but got back together after she converted.
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ok thanks for that
 
RaohNS said:
But surely as such an evidently misogynistic man, Trump would be the one who made her marry.

Regardless of how misogynistic he is, the choice of marriage is hers?

But Safe Space Corner says he is: Racist/Sexist/Homphobic/Islamophobic/Anti-Semitic/Transphobic/Xenophobic

Just because i don't think he is particularly hateful of any specific race doesn't mean that he cant be prejudice or discriminatory.

Who's world is real?

I shouldnt really have to explain why someone who has had his life can be so ignorant when it comes to most people who have led less privileged lives.

Or in their world the dynasty is ensured. Hypergamy is a demonstrable element of choice (in most cases)

Dont disagree.
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doodah said:
But yes, lets play the game of whataboutism or straight delusion/denial.
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"If you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them, would you? Seriously, OK? Just knock the hell ... I promise you I will pay for the legal fees. I promise, I promise," he said on Feb. 1, 2016.
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If you see someone about to attack you, attack them first. Not necessarily a bad thing but could hurt you. If it was a rock or a stone would you wait till it was thrown and hit you before doing anything. If the person who you tried defend yourself from tired to sue you would not take someones offer to defend you case ?

At a Las Vegas rally later that month, he said security guards were too gentle with a protester. "He's walking out with big high-fives, smiling, laughing," Trump said. "I'd like to punch him in the face, I'll tell you."
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Yer he was a idoit for saying it in public but he not telling other to go out and smack people and or person, I bet most people have muttered under there breath they like to smack someone in frustration and not really mean it.

"Get him out," he said of a protester. "Try not to hurt him. If you do, I'll defend you in court. Don't worry about it."
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Where has he called for violence, Which protestor was this and what was the circumstances. Having seen "protesters" with TDS up close they like to put them self in places where they should'nt (ie being more disruptive than protesting) and get viloment when asked to move on or stop where they where doing. Making it extremely difficult if not impossible to do so with out zero harm.

Then again Trump being there "hurts" people, if i was his or event he went to security I be good to know I have some one paying for my defence if I was just trying to do a job moving people on. Again I would need more infomation on this case if he did say this and of the protesters behaviour .

TLDR: where is the instigated of violence here ?

Trump seemed to encourage police to be more violent in handling potential offenders during a speech to law enforcement officers in July 2017.
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Ill link some of the quotes from that page for you

"When you see these thugs being thrown into the back of a paddy wagon, you just seen them thrown in, rough. I said, ‘Please don’t be too nice,’" he said.

Hardly instating violence is it, just saying (Wrongly to a point) you shouldn't care as much about a detained comfort when you just arrested someone for a violence crime.

And he's clearly encouraged and boasted about sexually assaulting women.
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They grabbing her by the cat comment was indeed very bad and very crass still a million miles away from the behaviour some other presidents who have done far worse in and out of office than make a comment like this.

Nor has he continuously demonised illegal & legal immigrants/asylum seeks to the point that idiots think their country is been invaded my military aged men with diseases. He isn't directly causing this violence but is absolutely encouraging it by making people believe in an enemy that barely represents any threat to America. He often jumps at the chance to speak out about Muslim terrorists, at times before the police have even started issuing statements but goes quiet or claims mental health when it's anyone else.
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Most of that is opinion, I would disagree with most of it and some of it is news to me especially the "Think their country is been invaded my military aged men with diseases"

Now compare that to comments you quote with the likes of what Maxine Waters and other democrats in the US have said which has lead to people being attacked, harassed, shot at and more just recently a Republican office being shot up.

Less said about other comments from the party, Antifa and other Far left (not left) organisations calling for violence and alike.
 
So dismissing/down playing the instances you can't defend and whataboutism for the rest? No hope.

Remind me again how many people have been killed in the US since 9/11 by left wing terrorists, compared to right wing and Muslim nut jobs?

I will give you a clue, one of them is significantly lower than the other two.

It must be a huge coincidence that the very people Trump has directly or indirectly attacked and demonised are now targets of right wing extremists?

You need to watch more Fox News then if you don't believe that they have been peddling BS about asylum seekers bring diseases across (some of which have been eradicated). The same for the other scaremongering but I can't find a quote, have definitely seen Trump or Fox bang on about military aged men.
 
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doodah said:
So dismissing/down playing the instances you can't defend and whataboutism for the rest? No hope.

Remind me again how many people have been killed in the US since 9/11 by left wing terrorists, compared to right wing and Muslim nut jobs?

I will give you a clue, one of them is significantly lower than the other two.

It must be a huge coincidence that the very people Trump has directly or indirectly attacked and demonised are now targets of right wing extremists?
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Who and what defines a right wing nut job ? or a left wing one for that . Just because there is domestic terrorism you do nothing about external terrorism which I might be abit easier to tackle.
 

First points were sarcastic.

Regarding ignorance, the same can be said for people from less privileged backgrounds. We can't know what it's like to be able to very easily go out and buy a sports car for example or treat yourself to a dinner worth a months wage to ordinary people.

I wouldn't expect you to.
 
KillBoY_UK said:
Who and what defines a right wing nut job ? or a left wing one for that . Just because there is domestic terrorism you do nothing about external terrorism which I might be abit easier to tackle.
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Seriously? Hhhhmm let me think.........their target, motive, manifesto (if there is one), associations, history, criminal records. Who said do nothing about external terrorism? Back to the caravan, which is a large group slowly making their way to the US border to claim asylum, yet the right wing press use these talking points...
  • Diseases
  • Invasion
  • Military aged men
  • Middle Easterners and by association alone, potentially ISIS
They're Goddamn human beings, not vermin.
 
garnett said:
Roar87 said:
garnett said:
Interesting to read:

A go fund me page created by an Iranian refugee studying in Washington DC, who has no connection to the Pittsburgh community, has already accumulated $900,000 (£700,000) to help rebuild the synagogue and support victims' families.

Another fund set up by Muslim-American groups to help pay for funeral costs has raised $200,000​

Could some of the OcUK Breitbart and Infowars readers report back how much those institutions have donated?
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How much have you donated?
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Deflection AND whataboutery!

Roar87 logical fallacy bingo!

You really do need to work at your reasoning skills. It has so many broader benefits too... Capacity to bring more scrutiny on your sources for example.
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Got an answer for us yet @Roar87 ?
 
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