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Glaucus · 7 Oct 2016 at 15:42

if I wanted to invest in Lithium and keep it until 2020-2025, what would be the best way of doing it?

Richeh · 8 Oct 2016 at 01:28

I have a very basic question that i'm sure may seem silly to some but I could use some help.

I was left a few shares in Eurotunnel when my father passed away (he was one of the original investors, lost lots but was happy what it went into).

Since i've had them I watched and they had continued to go up since I got them in 2013, I was thinking of selling but own so few (£300~ worth roughly pre-brexit) that it didnt seem worth it as I didn't need the money. Since Brexit they have dropped very low which doesn't bother me but as they are so low and I believe will rise decently once everything has settled I thought about investing a bit more upto about £1000 worth whilst low, however, I am aware as the £ is so low it may not be wise.

I've done some research but its a big field and i'm not that knowledgeable.

Any advice?

I am sure there are better investments don't get me wrong but I am curious.

Any help appreciated.

The Running Man · 8 Oct 2016 at 13:14

Well yes buy what's low and you think will go up. But with Brexit ahead what makes you think chunnel is a great investment?

Tosno · 8 Oct 2016 at 13:18

Keep them, it's only a small amount and you only lose money if you sell low.

Richeh · 8 Oct 2016 at 15:17

The Running Man said:
Well yes buy what's low and you think will go up. But with Brexit ahead what makes you think chunnel is a great investment?

I think it will always have steady use and looking at 'predictions' they seem to concur it will rise again. Despite having Euro in the name it isn't based on the UK being in the EU to operate as normal, there may be the slight question of whether day trips to the EU etc would be worth it once out if it is a lot more hassle but I can't see that happening.

My main question was about whether the £ being low is making it look better than it is? As the shares are in Euros technically whilst the pound is low and I buy shares worth Euro's it seems like there could be more to it.

I don't know which is why I was asking but from your advice it doesn't matter? If low, buy?

Tosno said:
Keep them, it's only a small amount and you only lose money if you sell low.

Thanks but thats not what I was asking

englishpremier · 9 Oct 2016 at 10:28

Glaucus said:
if I wanted to invest in Lithium and keep it until 2020-2025, what would be the best way of doing it?

Is Lithium in short supply? I can see the price plummeting when Bolivia starts mining the Salar de Uyuni. They've got 70% of the world's reserves.

If you want to enjoy the Salar (which is a wonderful place) in all its glory best to go in the next year or two.

silversurfer · 13 Oct 2016 at 22:57

You could go the other way and look to what will benefit from efficient uses of lithium, presuming this element is going to be important in the next decade ie. demand from new utility outstrips supply. Just knowing that much is profitable.
Holding the raw element for anything is not the best deal, I guess gold might be the exception because its incredibly compact but oil for example would be terrible. Saffron, maybe amazing but not sure lithium is one of the few easy ones
APF a commodities royalties firm listed on LSE did well this year. They gain a lot of the revenue without risking so much in costs, mines can tie up capital for a decade before it does anything, Sirus might be like that. APF has a fat yield too.

Not just for technology and development reasons I think this point in time is unique

http://m.investing.com/analysis/whe...o-when-all-three-market-bubbles-pop-200158438

Glaucus · 13 Oct 2016 at 23:04

englishpremier said:
Is Lithium in short supply? I can see the price plummeting when Bolivia starts mining the Salar de Uyuni. They've got 70% of the world's reserves.

If you want to enjoy the Salar (which is a wonderful place) in all its glory best to go in the next year or two.

i dont think it'll be in short supply, but usage is going to massively go up over the next decade.
perhaps mines would be better. Or wonder if there's any lithium funds which include mines, battery makers and the rest of the supply chain.

Ammo1337 · 14 Oct 2016 at 10:19

Is anybody here a part-time trader/investor alongside having a full time job?

dowie · 14 Oct 2016 at 12:44

I think most people posting in this thread are to some extent

Ammo1337 · 14 Oct 2016 at 14:20

dowie said:
I think most people posting in this thread are to some extent

Thanks for the reply

I imagine that most people here set up trades to be done the moment the markets open the next day? If not, how do you guys do it and work it around your other commitments?

StriderX · 14 Oct 2016 at 14:23

Pretty sure the S&P is about to tumble hard.

inferno · 19 Oct 2016 at 07:32

I just put 1000 GBP into fundsmith, a small amount just to start off, but I'm wondering why the yield is so low, its 0.97%, with the companies they hold I thought it would be higher!

timmothy · 19 Oct 2016 at 08:23

I would like to buy shares in take 2 studios but not sure the beat way to do it. Wanting to buy them and hold on to them for a few tears and then sell. Almost like an investment.

peterwalkley · 19 Oct 2016 at 08:36

timmothy said:
I would like to buy shares in take 2 studios but not sure the beat way to do it. Wanting to buy them and hold on to them for a few tears and then sell. Almost like an investment.

Expecting a poor return then

You need a broker that lets you buy US listed shares as they appear to be on NASDAQ as TTWO. Assuming you're in the UK, you will need to complete a W-8BEN form. Linky here from HL, other brokers would be similar.

EDIT: Just remembered that dividend income from foreign shares is listed as a separate item when you are completing a self-assessment form, so bear that in mind when handling your tax return.

silversurfer · 19 Oct 2016 at 20:02

Is there another GTA game or something, or just liked how they did their DLC

inferno said:
I just put 1000 GBP into fundsmith, a small amount just to start off, but I'm wondering why the yield is so low, its 0.97%, with the companies they hold I thought it would be higher!

Is this the right one
http://www.hl.co.uk/funds/fund-disc...g=G+FSDT+GEN&gclid=CJSKicTB588CFUG7Gwod_7cFbQ

Charges deducted from: Income

So yield is same as the charges apparently. I presume that means your income is near to 2% before charges.
I know HL in addition to the yield is giving me cashback or however its phrased, an additional cut of money from the fund. Of course its my own money anyhow and since they started doing that HL overtly charges a fee to have a SIPP with them. Used to be it was 'free' of course that wasnt true, ie. its not straightforward what yield you get. Afaik the fund cannot secretly pocket any income from companies held in the fund, it has to be stated somewhere. Used to be labelled TER

I didnt spot anything quickly in the fund documents. One fund I had operated a performance fee which was really no good or appropriate

Our Values
Fundsmith Knows
No Fees for Performance
No Up Front Fees
No Nonsense
No Debt or Derivatives
No Shorting
No Market Timing
No Index Hugging
No Trading
No Hedging

List the expected yields from the stated holdings and balance it by percentage, what yield do you come up with

norm · 19 Oct 2016 at 20:59

What's the next virtual currency to go mainstream do we think?

I think Bitcoin has run its course, it's only being hoarded by investors, has been overshadowed by hacking/fraud/illegal use scandals, and the high price is a barrier to real day-to-day trade.

Diddums · 19 Oct 2016 at 21:13

None. If cryptos were going to take off, they would've by now. Of course that means one of them is going to go nuts in the next week or two.

Diddums · 19 Oct 2016 at 21:13

Silversurfer, Red Dead Redemption 2.

silversurfer · 19 Oct 2016 at 21:53

Ok cool

No I think there is life in crypto standard, if we are talking globally then there is plenty of space left for development. If it were a product, the applicable market is only growing.

Not saying BTC will be it but I imagine it'll continue somehow, its the developers not inventors who make the most, most often apparently

high price is a barrier to real day-to-day trade.

Same argument could be levelled at gold. Its elitist almost in the gigantic price rise its had, yet the long term demand is rising I think. If only by central banks buying who currently have far less % wise in their asset range in gold and also from population and GDP growth.
I think its linked to global growth as a backbone of capital reserve and bitcoin if it is a useful product for commerce, fast transaction then it also could be tool to unlock free trade.
Some governments hate free trade, that can mean drugs, crime also but compared to some types bitcoin can be traced better afaik

Gold and bitcoin are infinitely divisible. You dont have to own a whole ounce to make use of it as a useful standard outside politicised and biased western currencies now being debased to service national debt. Capitalism isnt centrally orientated like is forced right now so I imagine things will right themselves somehow in unexpected ways

https://www.ft.com/content/4905707a-57af-11e6-9f70-badea1b336d4

"Maybe this is one of those cases where you can’t go home again,” former Fed chairman Ben S. Bernanke wrote in a recent blog post arguing for a shift in course.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...onts-a-possibility-it-never-expected-no-exit/

Euro has become something of a failed experiment - Greenspan

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-...crisis-imminent-he-urges-return-gold-standard

90% of mortgages come from government etc