Caporegime
Would i sell my RRL at the current SP?
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Soldato
The bid price got to 7 by close with a tiny spread of 0.29% on the back of more then double volume.
It does appear to be bullish though its speculation, the price to book is very high on present declared assets ?
not a loss till you sell, is fine so long as the company worth didnt actually go down. Sometimes the sale of a share may be forced by takeover or most often failure to roll over debts and the value is determined by the market though the share price is often way off
Probably applies best to big companies, shell was £16 recently but that didnt reflect any direction on the company prospects and its since bounced up. Aim tends to be more news driven and even more volatile in between ?
Its probably more realisitic to say, of no real worth till I can sell it
It does appear to be bullish though its speculation, the price to book is very high on present declared assets ?
not a loss till you sell, is fine so long as the company worth didnt actually go down. Sometimes the sale of a share may be forced by takeover or most often failure to roll over debts and the value is determined by the market though the share price is often way off
Probably applies best to big companies, shell was £16 recently but that didnt reflect any direction on the company prospects and its since bounced up. Aim tends to be more news driven and even more volatile in between ?
Its probably more realisitic to say, of no real worth till I can sell it
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Soldato
If you pay £1000 for a share in a company, and then the market prices that company at £800 per share, you are at a £200 loss. You can work this out by looking at what went in and the value of what you have now.
In cash terms, the loss is not set in stone until you sell at a price under £1000, but you are still at a loss. You are down £200.
How can it be anything otherwise?
If you buy a car for £20,000, do you consider it to be worth £20,000 the next year because you haven't sold it yet?
Because shares fluctuate in value. One of my shares is down £2k but if I wait till mid-August I'll be profit (fingers crossed), due to announcements etc
You do the maths.
Soldato
Key quote is the third one. It is not a certainty.
Ok -you put £X in, and now you're worth £X-2000. There's the maths.
The hard fact remains; you are now at least £2000 poorer than what you were at the start. That might be different tomorrow, it might have been different yesterday, but there are no two ways about looking at it now.
All I am saying (to the first guy) is don't pretend like you're not at a loss. Don't approach every investment thinking "If it doesn't work out in the short term I'll make it a long term investment and hope for the best."
I recommend reading this: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Intelligent-Investor-Benjamin-Graham/dp/0060555661
I know I'm £2k poorer on paper, its fact. But I also know that I'll at the very least break even. I have done my research into company and willing to sit it out. If the company showed no signs of immediate recovery, then I would have cashed out at a realised loss.
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Soldato
I'm not pretending it's worth what I paid in the beginning, i'm just not selling until I get a better price for my assets. It's like if you bought a house for 100k and the price fell by 20k, you can either sell and "realise" that loss, or you can hold on and hope for a recovery and then sell them to get back a better percentage of what you paid.
At the moment and I am in no rush to get the money out so I am happy to wait for better days, shares have good and bad runs as you well know, so at the moment they've had a bad run but at some point sentiment will change I hope
Soldato
You are more then 2k poorer, you are worse off to the tune of the shares purchased. When you sell then you are better off by the amount you get back, in between apart from a dividend there is no worth only potential
Shares drop in value over night all the time, theres no definite chance to sell at a particular price
Shares drop in value over night all the time, theres no definite chance to sell at a particular price
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Man of Honour
Same pretty much. Saw big drops on KEA this morning, stupid comments from RHPS, unfortunately I wasn't around in time to top up, and prob not worth it now.
Associate
8 of mine are up so far today and one is down (DES by 0.50%)
Caporegime
LDP up 35% at one point, could be an interesting day 
Associate
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Take a look at the "welcome to the forum" thread in the General Discussion forum.
This is the only thing that will move the markets today.
Like it or not, the UK stockmarket is driven by the US.
You lot are worrying me with your "it's not a loss until you sell" and "if it goes down I will hold longer". You do realise the only one you're fooling is yourself?
The critical factor in predicting where UK/US stockmarkets are headed is the unemployment rate. You also need to remember both the UK and US are currently employing a large number of people for the census, this is skewing the figures.
Like it or not, the UK stockmarket is driven by the US.
You lot are worrying me with your "it's not a loss until you sell" and "if it goes down I will hold longer". You do realise the only one you're fooling is yourself?
The critical factor in predicting where UK/US stockmarkets are headed is the unemployment rate. You also need to remember both the UK and US are currently employing a large number of people for the census, this is skewing the figures.
it depends on the company and what they have in the pipeline.
i bought CHAR at 26p which then proceeded to fall to ~17p for a few months - had i sold and realised my loss i would have missed out on the rise - its now at 123p and will go much higher in the future imo.
other companies have gone down and not recovered - each case is different.
Soldato
Don't ask to ask, just ask! But make sure you search and Google first
Caporegime
Buy low sell high.
Think that should cover most questions
Think that should cover most questions
Don't ask to ask, just ask! But make sure you search and Google first
Ok, here goes.
Say I had £10k and wanted to buy some shares. Could I buy £10k worth of shares in Google or would that be retarded?