Trans man denied right to register as his child's father.

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Freddy McConnell, a 34-year-old freelance journalist who works for the Guardian began medical transition with testosterone therapy in 2013, and in 2014 underwent a double mastectomy. His passport and NHS records were changed to show he was male, but he retained his female reproductive system. He gave birth after suspending his hormone treatment and allowing his menstrual cycle to restart.

In the appeal court, Lord Burnett came down in favour of the right of a child born to a transgender parent to know the biological reality of its birth, rather than the parent’s right to be recognised on the birth certificate in their legal gender. (LINK)


Thank God that someone thinks of the motherless child who is an innocent, unwitting participant in this LGBTQ+ rights campaign.
 
We rightly condemn and make illegal FGM, yet allow (and some even condone) these Frankenstein like procedures, maybe even carried out for free by an allegedly over burdened and under financed National Health Service. I hope this person's progeny is mentally strong enough to handle its undoubted burden.
 
stockhausen said:
Freddy McConnell, a 34-year-old freelance journalist who works for the Guardian began medical transition with testosterone therapy in 2013, and in 2014 underwent a double mastectomy. His passport and NHS records were changed to show he was male, but he retained his female reproductive system. He gave birth after suspending his hormone treatment and allowing his menstrual cycle to restart.

In the appeal court, Lord Burnett came down in favour of the right of a child born to a transgender parent to know the biological reality of its birth, rather than the parent’s right to be recognised on the birth certificate in their legal gender. (LINK)


Thank God that someone thinks of the motherless child who is an innocent, unwitting participant in this LGBTQ+ rights campaign.
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You can't be the father if you gave birth to it.

This whole gender stuff has gone way overboard now it's impossible to keep up with.

Plus young people these days love to hop onto a fad or trend. I can't wait for when people don't feel the need to shove what they label themselves as into everyone else's face.
 
robj20 said:
You can't change gender end of. Load of rubbish.
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You can change gender very easily and everyone does, frequently. Gender also changes, since gender is statistics and fashion and stereotypes.

Changing sex is a whole different thing, though. I think it's possible to have your sex changed, but not that it's possible for a male person to be pregnant and give birth. I think it's possible for seahorses, but it's definitely not possible for humans. Or any other animal (except maybe seahorses). Sex is physiological and pregnancy/childbirth is part of the definition. Except maybe for seahorses.

Now I'm going to have to look up the details of seahorse reproduction. I vaguely remember that it's unique with respect to sex, but I've forgotten the details.

Maybe the best solution is to not put sexes on birth certificates. Just "parent" and "parent".
 
Can't say I feel passionately in either direction on this one.

I suppose I question what people are defending when they are against him being recorded as father - I don't really see what is being lost from that, that actually matters.

Is the point of a birth certificate supposed to be a biological record? If so, why is the father's name optional?

If it's merely legal, then it doesn't really matter what the biological sex of the parent is
 
Changing gender identity ! = changing sex...

Also giving birth is an inherently "female" gendered thing to do... I'm not sure a trans-man who gives birth can really be said to be full male even in terms of just gender identity if they are adopting the role of getting pregnant/giving birth.

Do parent's who adopt a baby get to stick their names on the birth certificate? I mean arguably they're the ones playing the actual role of mother and father.... albeit not at the point of birth.

If the birth certificate's purpose is to record the birth and include the biological mother (+ potentially the father if known) then that is what this (trans) man was at the time of birth.
 
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If the father box on the form is optional there is no absolute right for the father to register, therefore the thread title is misleading or incorrect.

I assume he knows who the father is? It would be impersonation to use his own name instead.
 
Angilion said:
You can change gender very easily and everyone does, frequently. Gender also changes, since gender is statistics and fashion and stereotypes.

Changing sex is a whole different thing, though. I think it's possible to have your sex changed, but not that it's possible for a male person to be pregnant and give birth. I think it's possible for seahorses, but it's definitely not possible for humans. Or any other animal (except maybe seahorses). Sex is physiological and pregnancy/childbirth is part of the definition. Except maybe for seahorses.

Now I'm going to have to look up the details of seahorse reproduction. I vaguely remember that it's unique with respect to sex, but I've forgotten the details.

Maybe the best solution is to not put sexes on birth certificates. Just "parent" and "parent".
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Seahorses... What are you on. Lol

Gender
"either of the two sexes (male and female),"

Male
"of or denoting the sex that produces gametes, especially spermatozoa, with which a female may be fertilized or inseminated to produce offspring."

Female
"of or denoting the sex that can bear offspring or produce eggs, distinguished biologically by the production of gametes (ova) which can be fertilized by male gametes."

So I'm sticking with you can't change your gender, you can change what you look like, and obviously pretend but at the core, ie your genes you can't.

Minusorange said:
So it decided it wasn't a he when it suited itself in order to get pregnant and give birth ? Funny how they can drop the charade when it's convenient for them
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Too true.
 
robj20 said:
Seahorses... What are you on. Lol

Gender
"either of the two sexes (male and female),"

Male
"of or denoting the sex that produces gametes, especially spermatozoa, with which a female may be fertilized or inseminated to produce offspring."

Female
"of or denoting the sex that can bear offspring or produce eggs, distinguished biologically by the production of gametes (ova) which can be fertilized by male gametes."

So I'm sticking with you can't change your gender, you can change what you look like, and obviously pretend but at the core, ie your genes you can't.


Too true.
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Quote the whole thing.
Gender:
"either of the two sexes (male and female), especially when considered with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones. The term is also used more broadly to denote a range of identities that do not correspond to established ideas of male and female."
 
Crikey, what is the world coming too - the person in concern is clearly the mother and quite rightly named as such in line with the recognised norms in current society from a biological sense.

However, if a person wants to identify differently outside of the constraints of a birth certificate (where perhaps the gender doesn't matter in terms of description from a biological front), then it's their call to do so.

But - changing it on a birth certificate would have been a step too far IMO.
 
Minusorange said:
So it decided it wasn't a he when it suited itself in order to get pregnant and give birth ? Funny how they can drop the charade when it's convenient for them
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Thing is they don't even see it as a charade. The argument on their part is unironically "giving birth isn't something only women can do"
 
Good. The system shouldnt go along with these fantasies otherwise it would be chaos and full of nonsense data.

In 100 years time when someone is looking back, a man giving birth wont make sense and will look like an admin error.
 
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