Trans man denied right to register as his child's father.

[montymint]

Crikey, what is the world coming too - the person in concern is clearly the mother and quite rightly named as such in line with the recognised norms in current society from a biological sense.

However, if a person wants to identify differently outside of the constraints of a birth certificate (where perhaps the gender doesn't matter in terms of description from a biological front), then it's their call to do so.

But - changing it on a birth certificate would have been a step too far IMO.

This is one of the better takes here, 100% agree.

 

[Theophany]

I'd have a tiny bit of sympathy if they had at least tried to take the male role by donating their genetic code (egg in this case) and used a surrogate woman to carry.

Err, why? That just seems like the same thing with extra (and expensive) steps. :/

 

[NVP]

Don't you see how principled I am!? Rabble rabble rabble.

 

[darael]

People.

Whatever your stance on their gender or sexuality they aren't "creatures" and that sort of rhetoric is really pathetic.

Are you sure they identify as humans? I don't think they even know themselves.

 

[Nasher]

Transcat

 

[deuse]

Seeing her picture and thinking of her giving birth is a WTF moment

 

[Frubeling]

John Money in 1955

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Money

Not sure if you were expecting such a specific reply

Though to be fair, "3rd genders" and non binary genders have been recognised in societies throughout history, I guess he was just one of the first to encapsulate it's meaning.

Ah yes, John Money, the pedophile who abused a child to the point they killed themself.

 

[neil_g]

I don't know why some in GD get so wound up by this.

Identify as a pineapple for all I care, as long as when it comes to biology and things like medial situations and whether you're M/F/pre-op/post-op etc etc is clear.

 

[Efour]

Here we go again.

 

[ianh]

It's odd that on one form of official ID - their passport - it's OK to say the person is Male yet on another form of official ID - the child's birth certificate - they won't be allowed to. You'd imagine that something as important as government ID's (Passport and Birth Certs) would both be "on the same page" regarding something as significant as this.

 

[subbytna]

She is the child’s mother, not it’s father.

Correct.


A right decision by the courts

 

[Jokester]

Thank goodness time travel doesn't exist (yet) otherwise she would likely try to be the child as well..

There's a cracking film if it ever got made.

 

[Psycho Sonny]

I don't know why some in GD get so wound up by this.

Identify as a pineapple for all I care, as long as when it comes to biology and things like medial situations and whether you're M/F/pre-op/post-op etc etc is clear.

We don't care.

They want us to care though is the issue.

Be whatever you want to be however don't expect any special attention or sympathy for being weird.

 

[Malevolence]

A bloke doesn't have a womb, so, unless they're also identifying as a seahorse too, they cannot carry a child to term. This person does have a functioning womb, ergo they're a woman.

 

[mmj_uk]

It does. But I don't understand why so many people care so much about trans people. Live and let live.

Because it affects a whole lot of things, public toilet use, changing rooms, prison system, potentially puts women/girls in danger of sexual predators and accidentally misgendering someone can result in police charges for nonsense hate crimes and being sacked.

What's worse is even the people pushing it are confused by it:

 

[dirtychinchilla]

Because it affects a whole lot of things, public toilet use, changing rooms, prison system, potentially puts women/girls in danger of sexual predators and accidentally misgendering someone can result in police charges for nonsense hate crimes and being sacked.

What's worse is even the people pushing it are confused by it:

Literally couldn't care less. I'm sure, as a society, we aren't too thick to solve the problem.

 

[stockhausen]

That video of Jo Swinson trying very hard (not) to identify what exactly a woman is is utterly cringeworthy. Whilst I am sure that Jo Swinson is a genuine, sincere person the whole thing is a perfect example of why Politicians are held in such low regard and in her case why she is no longer the leader of the Liberal Democrats.

As to the definition of what constitutes "Gender" and "Sex", I always used to think of the former in terms of grammar (i.e. masculine, Feminine and Neuter) and I tended to think of the latter in terms of Male and Female - sadly I am now totally confused.

I am still relatively happy to accept the definition of "Sex" as:

Either of the two major forms of individuals that occur in many species and that are distinguished respectively as female or male especially on the basis of their reproductive organs and structures.

 

[Lysander]

Be whatever you want to be however don't expect any special attention or sympathy for being weird.

More to the point it's normalising mental illness.

 

[glenimp617]

Thank goodness time travel doesn't exist (yet) otherwise she would likely try to be the child as well..

Predestination

 

[glenimp617]

It sounds like the lifeform in question is actually of fluid gender. The ability to change between male, female, and 'non-gender specific' at will. That is of course if they identify as a person who is alive, and I'm making no such assumption.

The birth certificate should have the same name recorded as both mother and father, whilst at the same time, no name should be recorded.

If we are going down this path, which it seems like we are, then we need to start walking down it rather then going back and forth with this.

Remember, this isn't 2018....it's 2020.