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Looks like Michael Clarke Duncan with a wig on.
Trans woman want to fight biological women in MMA?
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Easier for the mma to change its laws to state that only those born as male/females can take part.
Lot of reactionary close minded opinions in this thread.
This sort of thing has to be down the athletic commision to decide, its their remit to protect the fighters if the studies they do show an unfair advantage because she was born a man then the fight should not be allowed.
My first opinion on this was to pipe up and suggest that it should not be allowed, because I'm such a chivalrous white knight and female MMA fighters are delicate little flowers that need to be protected - an obviously outdated view.
Am I in favour of it? Personally no, but then again I don't like the idea of womens MMA in general.
This sort of thing has to be down the athletic commision to decide, its their remit to protect the fighters if the studies they do show an unfair advantage because she was born a man then the fight should not be allowed.
My first opinion on this was to pipe up and suggest that it should not be allowed, because I'm such a chivalrous white knight and female MMA fighters are delicate little flowers that need to be protected - an obviously outdated view.
Am I in favour of it? Personally no, but then again I don't like the idea of womens MMA in general.
None, is that ok? Or do we now need to be an expert on a subject before we can have an opinion about it.
Couldnt compete with the men. Changed to womens class. Smells like BS to me.
But seriously though I'm not so sure. On face value it seems absurd! But It would be hard to argue with professional medical assessment. Perhaps not in this case, due to the 31 years of male development. But in someone younger/changed at a younger age. Perhaps, I think even if ruled ok. Many people will consider it an unfair fight if she wins. I wonder how things will be from a gambling point of view if it was deemed a legal fight?
But seriously though I'm not so sure. On face value it seems absurd! But It would be hard to argue with professional medical assessment. Perhaps not in this case, due to the 31 years of male development. But in someone younger/changed at a younger age. Perhaps, I think even if ruled ok. Many people will consider it an unfair fight if she wins. I wonder how things will be from a gambling point of view if it was deemed a legal fight?
You might have uncovered something there as to why the "medical professionals" have deemed him..her OK to compete in the female leagues.
What's your experience in the field?
I think we are kind of singing from the same hymn sheet here, there are just too many variables involved in what constitutes a fair fight in these kinds of sports, hence why they are divided not only by gender but also by weight.
To level the playing field we would have to simply say, case in point for example, that there are no more rules regarding hormone/drug consumption, sex or weight, you either win or lose on the match alone. A free for all if you will.
I don't think that's really in any kind of competitive spirit, and it will encourage the use of drugs and all the issues that come with that.
I honestly don't think there is a sensible answer as to how an ex-man should be allowed into a boxing ring with a woman, in terms of professional sport.
To make a fight truly fair, we would have to see genetic clones fighting against themselves I guess.
I think what we are looking at here, if it's allowed, is the end of competitive sport, if there are no boundaries as to what drugs/prosthetics you can use then it's probably had its day.
We may as well proceed directly to hypo-disc Vs razorblade lol!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqNYtI-0O2s
None, is that ok? Or do we now need to be an expert on a subject before we can have an opinion about it.
No, but when you babble rubbish because you're utterly ignorant of a subject and your opinion is formed from irrational beliefs rather than knowledge and reasoning, then your opinion is worthless and just makes you look bad. Which is what has just happened with you.
So believing you are the opposite sex and are in fact in the wrong body isn't a psychological issue?
Is there a reasonably accurate, reasonably practical way to compare individual physiology to see if two individuals are roughly equally matched in physical terms? I don't know of one and what I do know implies that it's too complex to do, but I could be wrong.
Failing that, the only options are free for all or classifications based on biological groups, which is a crude approximation if it's done properly and simple bigotry if it isn't, with plenty of unfairness regardless because the average for a biological group isn't going to apply to many individuals in it. Then you get political issues involved because judging people by the average of a biological group is usually a political issue (and rightly so). For example, should sprinters run in different classes determined by skin colour because of a correlation with skin colour and average performance amongst the fastest sprinters? Whoa, political grenade! Nobody would go near that idea.
Failing that, the only options are free for all or classifications based on biological groups, which is a crude approximation if it's done properly and simple bigotry if it isn't, with plenty of unfairness regardless because the average for a biological group isn't going to apply to many individuals in it. Then you get political issues involved because judging people by the average of a biological group is usually a political issue (and rightly so). For example, should sprinters run in different classes determined by skin colour because of a correlation with skin colour and average performance amongst the fastest sprinters? Whoa, political grenade! Nobody would go near that idea.
The cause isn't entirely known, but of course your ignorance of the subject prevents you from knowing that.
In any case, it's irrelevant because there isn't any effective psychological treatment (which could reasonably be considered to imply that the cause is at least partly biological), but of course your ignorance of the subject prevents you from knowing that.
You advocate people suffering and dying because of your belief that the only effective known treatment is somehow wrong for no reason that you can explain. I'm going to be nice to you and assume that you take that position because of your ignorance of the subject and not because you want people to suffer and die.
What the hell are you waffling on about people suffering and dieing for?
I simply think that people with this particular issue should be treated a different way. I'm mainly referring to people who get sex changes done on the NHS etc. If somebody wants to spend their money and get a sex change that's fine, it's their money and body they can do what they like. I just think it's wrong that the default answer for people with this problem is to get a sex change instead of trying to get to the root cause of the issue.
I guess that was a misquote, otherwise ...wh..u ut?
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The only way out of this would be to make the Trans-gender individual to fight in a higher weight-class. Boom! No sexism claims, and any prior advantage neutralised.