Why is it unsustainable? It has been sustained for the past 10 years. Arguably the clubs who get in to trouble are not the ones paying £20m+ for players, it is the ones chasing the dream spending millions on average players and then further millions on their wages.
Transfer Fees Have Gone Mad
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Why does Ronaldo want out of Madrid?
Dont know where the media have got that he wants out, all he has said is that he is unhappy for some odd reason at Real. Last i heard/read is that he had a showdown talk with Real's president to talk things over.
I dont think Ronaldo is going to leave Real anytime soon and if he does then Real arent going to let him go cheap. Theres more chances of them getting rid of other players than Ronaldo. As someone said in another thread, Ronaldo doenst need Real, Real need Ronaldo.
But if he does leave then hes more than welcome at Arsenal as we were interested in him before he went to Utd.
List of the latest transfers in order of value, highest to lowest: http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/t...nsfers_2012_default_default_default_alle.html
Witsel & Hulk have not bee added yet, but I think most of the transfers are normal for the market. Sure the prices are high and difficult to relate to, but the amounts are small relative to the £billions generated by football as an industry.
The stupid fees (in my opinion) are those paid by PSG for Moura and Zenit for Hulk. Javi Martinez may have been overpriced, but Bayern aren't wasteful and usually make a profit so as a one off it doesn't seem so bad.
Witsel & Hulk have not bee added yet, but I think most of the transfers are normal for the market. Sure the prices are high and difficult to relate to, but the amounts are small relative to the £billions generated by football as an industry.
The stupid fees (in my opinion) are those paid by PSG for Moura and Zenit for Hulk. Javi Martinez may have been overpriced, but Bayern aren't wasteful and usually make a profit so as a one off it doesn't seem so bad.
Why does Ronaldo want out of Madrid?
Increased tax rate and the fact that he is only the 9th highest paid footballer in the world is meaning his contract negotiations aren't gong all that well.
To even match what he earns now with the new tax rate, Real have to pay him another 5 million a year or so.
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Hulk for £32m to Zenit
Witsel for £32m to Zenit
Ronaldo wanting to move from Real (Man City would need to offer £95m)
The EPL, La Liga, SKY & the billionaire owners are going to cause the game to implode big style, it's unsustainable
And people expect arsenal to spend that amount lol no chance arsenal are one of the best run clubs in the world
didn't they pay £12m for him one year ago?
they are overloaded in midfield though i suppose.
Silva is obviously very highly regarded, but the rest are either OK or mediocre. So far the team as whole does not reflect the money spent and one individual can't carry the rest of the defence.
They'll probably keep spending, but if France '98 era, Chelsea early Mourinho era, and numerous Italian sides have had first rate defences, PSG are a long way off.
He's feeling "sad" although something subtle may have been lost in translation. Detractors were quick to say he just wants to be the best paid player in the world in order to feel happy, either because he genuinely feels this way or it's a contract negotiation ploy. Ronaldo denies these claims: http://www.fifa.com/worldfootball/clubfootball/news/newsid=1695432.html?cid=rssfeed&att=Why does Ronaldo want out of Madrid?
The fee is fair enough, the reason I can't wrap my head around this is because Meireles has become something of a 'water carrier.' He's never been exciting and some fans just hate him, but I believe he gave the side balance, and there has been a stark difference when he hasn't played this season.
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Michael Owen signs for Stoke: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19480317
Inflated transfer fee's are only a cause of concern when they don't offer good value. It is after all a 'Free Market' so the price will always go up whilst the realitive value stays the same.
I remember way back in the early 90's when Milan paid a kings ransom and a world record fee of £13m for the hottest prospect in world football at the time, Gianluigi Lentini. A road accident pretty much put paid to him being the 'Next Big Thing' and was eventually sold back to Torino for £2m. At the time the fee was so high that the Vatican condemned it as an offence against the dignity of work.
With inflation he would probably sell for around £50m on today's market.
With or without Sky's money the free market will always push prices up. Gazza at the time of going to Spurs was £2m and at the time fans were like **** Me £2m for Gazza.
I remember way back in the early 90's when Milan paid a kings ransom and a world record fee of £13m for the hottest prospect in world football at the time, Gianluigi Lentini. A road accident pretty much put paid to him being the 'Next Big Thing' and was eventually sold back to Torino for £2m. At the time the fee was so high that the Vatican condemned it as an offence against the dignity of work.
With inflation he would probably sell for around £50m on today's market.
With or without Sky's money the free market will always push prices up. Gazza at the time of going to Spurs was £2m and at the time fans were like **** Me £2m for Gazza.
totally agree with you - however there is still a gigantic difference to the "value" of £2m when Gazza was sold and £40-50m that most hot young kids go for nowadays imo (Im guessing £2m then is probably about £10m - 15m max)
(given the fact that bread / milk have probably gone up in cost by a few 100% in the same time period)
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Which hot young kids go for £40-50mil exactly? Almost every 30mil+ fee I can think of is for a very much proven player, the only one I can think of at all that is an extortionate fee for a completely unproven player is Moura, and that is largely because PSG just went mental, though at the same time they managed to get Zlatan for only 18mil or so.
The vast majority of young players with loads of potential go for significantly less than a player 2-3 years older who has proven himself already.
Hazard might be young but he's been playing for years already and has already been highly successful for years, and has made an instant impact.
Gazza's value wouldn't have risen on actual inflation but the different nature of the game. In the early 90's football was only just hitting TV and it was low deals with not even that much money per club, within a few years that went up exponentially, a decade later we've gone from 200mil tv deals to 3billion tv deals, but the same number of players on a team give or take a few. I'm entirely happy to see that money spent on players and player wages... the alternative is that Man Utd spend 5mil max on all their big buys, they give them 30k a week, and currently the Glazers would rake in 200mil + in profit that never goes into football, improving the quality, buying the best players or getting the best team possible.
Should players be paid as much as they are, yes, entertainment is simply that. Smaller premier league clubs make 2-3 times as much in tv money/sponsorship than they do from ticket sales.
30 odd Utd players spend vastly more in the UK and pay vastly more tax on all the things they buy than 90% of that money sitting in a Glazers bank account in some tax haven. Utd pay big money for players, they sell players for big money, again, much prefer it spent than... you know, in a billionaires loose change tin.
The vast majority of young players with loads of potential go for significantly less than a player 2-3 years older who has proven himself already.
Hazard might be young but he's been playing for years already and has already been highly successful for years, and has made an instant impact.
Gazza's value wouldn't have risen on actual inflation but the different nature of the game. In the early 90's football was only just hitting TV and it was low deals with not even that much money per club, within a few years that went up exponentially, a decade later we've gone from 200mil tv deals to 3billion tv deals, but the same number of players on a team give or take a few. I'm entirely happy to see that money spent on players and player wages... the alternative is that Man Utd spend 5mil max on all their big buys, they give them 30k a week, and currently the Glazers would rake in 200mil + in profit that never goes into football, improving the quality, buying the best players or getting the best team possible.
Should players be paid as much as they are, yes, entertainment is simply that. Smaller premier league clubs make 2-3 times as much in tv money/sponsorship than they do from ticket sales.
30 odd Utd players spend vastly more in the UK and pay vastly more tax on all the things they buy than 90% of that money sitting in a Glazers bank account in some tax haven. Utd pay big money for players, they sell players for big money, again, much prefer it spent than... you know, in a billionaires loose change tin.
Some of the stuff Frank comes out with cracks me up but I'm honestly in tears after that.
Frank is an absolute genius
Remember Gazza was the British transfer record at circa £2m. World Transfer Record was circa £8m if memory serves correct.
Im glad someone can actually take the comment how it was meant (not like the other sick ****)
I know he was the brit transfer record at the time, and its impossible to know what he would cost now if he was coming through the ranks now but any reason to believe he would cost less than Oscar / Hazard (which must be 100% above inflation at least)
Didnt two (one of which was Witsel - who is/was a hot prospect) go to Zenit in the last week?
edit - Hulk wasthe 2nd player both bought for £32m each (I must have seen it at as ~40m euros or something like, Im sure the figure wasin the 80m range for both)
In a vastly inferior French league perhaps
(I believe its vastly inferior in the general consensus, La Liga / EPL/ Bundesliga / Seria A (depending on corruption lol) / and then perhaps Ligue 1 - so not exactly "highly successful")
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Hulk's 26 and Witsel is 23, hardly kids
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No, he has been highly successful, what the team does in a league is a different matter. If Messi played in the Rwanda league 3, you'd could still see how good he is, various qualities of his game would be undeniable. Hazard has made 192 senior appearances before his transfer and 29 for Belgium. 22 goals and 16 assists might not be worth as much in the French league as the EPL or La liga, you may want to weight that number lower.... but its still damn high numbers to start with. Maybe they are worth 15 goals and 10 assists compared to the EPL... for a 21 year old that would still be amazing, for anyone in the league that would be amazing, and he's improving year on year.
Witsel is 23, he's made 245 senior appearances for his clubs alone, another 30 for the senior Belgian team....... he is not a young player, a prospect or new.
Witsel is 23, he's made 245 senior appearances for his clubs alone, another 30 for the senior Belgian team....... he is not a young player, a prospect or new.
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and secondly not likely. He isn't world class, he is just a semi decent club player who thinks he is way better than he really is.
TBF I was alluding more to the Chelsea/Man City/PSG/Anzhi owners.
You are indeed correct re Man Utd's multi-billionaire owners not spending vast funds of their own money on transfers, in fact they do the opposite and actually make great returns from their leveraged ownership of Man Utd which is mortgaged up to the hilt
Re the Sky money, it WILL reach saturation point and the bubble WILL burst.
Even at the moment, clubs who are relegated (even with parachute) payments are financially hamstrung and/or can go burst (Portsmouth/Hull) because of the anomaly of what Sky pay for the rights to the EPL
Hopefully UEFA's financial fair play rules will help make the European game a more level playing field
