Transgender MTF picked for Olympics weightlifting

I never said it wasnt an anomaly but the point is some people are born this way. so you cant say XX is a woman and XY is a man.

Given the tiny percentages of those impacted, you can.
As someone said previously, an anomaly does not break the trend. My grandad lost a finger in an accident. Humans still have 8 fingers and 2 thumbs.
 
Even if its the 0.02% you claim thats still 1.6 million people. Thats a lot if you get them all together in a room. And by some peoples definitions on here those people who look like men with a penis would be called a woman and those women who have female genitalia and look like women would be called a man.

But we don't get them all together in a room. Ad I've just said anomalous statistics don't break a trend. The numbers involved are way below a level of statistical significance.
 
Because they are separate things only for a small percentage of the population.

They're not. Sex is male/female. Gender is more masculine <----> more feminine. Fundamentally different things.

For example, height is innately gendered in humans. There is an inherent trend, not artifically imposed by custom, for men to be taller than women by a fairly noticeable amount. Not a lot. Sexual dimorphism in humans is pretty minor. But it does exist. That doesn't mean that height is sexed. It's not the case that height is a determining factor in sex. It's not even the case that all men are taller than all women. A woman in the UK who's 5'9" tall is not a man. A woman in the UK who's 5'6" tall doesn't become a man if she travels to a place where that's the average height for men.

Sex and gender have always been seperate things, although they've been mashed together a lot to serve the purpose of artificially sexed roles.

Treating sex and gender as the same thing is actually a big part of what you're objecting to:

[..] If someone want's to present themselves as the opposite gender to that which matches the biological sex they were born with, that's fine, I have no issue with that. Live and let live I say. However if they then want me to pretend along with them that they are not gender that matches their biology, then depending on the circumstances, that's going to be a big fat no. To clarify my comment about the circumstances, it will be a 'yes' to be civil, polite, kind, etc. in general day-to-day life, and I'll use their preferred gender pronouns (unless it's this Xir/Xe nonsense) in conversation. But get into a rational debate and it's back to no and when males start taking things away from females (like medals) it's an even firmer NO.

You're fine with people choosing a gender identity that doesn't correlate with their sex. You're not fine with people who do that also claiming that their sex is the same as their chosen gender identity, especially when they demand that everyone else must be forced to accept that claim.
 
Even if its the 0.02% you claim thats still 1.6 million people. Thats a lot if you get them all together in a room. And by some peoples definitions on here those people who look like men with a penis would be called a woman and those women who have female genitalia and look like women would be called a man.

Far more people are born with other deformations. We don't now claim that humans have a spectrum of limb numbers.
 
Could you be so kind as to tell me which category the fat bloke in the OP falls under?

Hubbard's developmental pathway was the one set up to produce small gametes. Currently they are competing against those whose developmental pathway was that of large gamete production. This is because policies were created behind closed-doors without evidence and under (one-sided) pressure for inclusion.
 
They're not. Sex is male/female. Gender is more masculine <----> more feminine. Fundamentally different things.

What kind of mental gymnastics must you go through to come to the the conclusion that 'more masculine' and 'more feminine' are fundamentally different to male and female.

Masculine is literally "having the qualities or nature of the male sex" and feminine is "having the qualities or nature of the female sex".

Just because an individual can have more or less of one or the other in one or more aspects of their personality or physique (for example, but not limited to) doesn't disconnect gender from sex which is the mistake you are making and the militant part of the Trans movement is trying to force people to accept.
 
What kind of mental gymnastics must you go through to come to the the conclusion that 'more masculine' and 'more feminine' are fundamentally different to male and female. [..]

The realistic kind. The rational kind. The bloody obvious kind. The kind that tells you that a vast multitude of spectrums is not the same as a single binary split. The kind that tells you that trends are not absolutes. The kind that tells you that social customs (which vary in different places and in the same place at different times) are not innate biology.

Do you believe that, for example, a woman (sexed) of average height (gendered) in the UK becomes a man if she travels to Vietnam because the average height of men in Vietnam is the same as the average height of women in the UK? If you don't seperate sex and gender, you'd have to believe that. What kind of mental gymnastics must you go through to come to that conclusion?
 
This thread has well and truly delivered.

Should just have everyone compete against everyone in all sports, simpler and less events. Easier to organise as well, may as well do away with separate toilets and changing rooms
 
This thread has well and truly delivered.

Should just have everyone compete against everyone in all sports, simpler and less events. Easier to organise as well, may as well do away with separate toilets and changing rooms

I don't think you've really grasped the issue the thread is addressing or understand the notion of equality.
 
This thread has well and truly delivered.

Should just have everyone compete against everyone in all sports, simpler and less events. Easier to organise as well, may as well do away with separate toilets and changing rooms

Don't forget rape crisis centres, beauty salons ("wax my balls, bigots!") and prisons.

I don't think you've really grasped the issue the thread is addressing or understand the notion of equality.

I think he was being facetious.
 
There a reason 'big brother' had Newspeak and wanted to control language to such a high degree. Namely so that people would lack even the very language to object to what was being done to them.

What are trans people *doing to you*? I think you've misunderstood the direction of maltreatment and misery in this particular instance.

If you'd actually paid attention to Nineteen Eighty-Hour, you'd realise that the stripping down of language was to suppress the expression of 'heretical' (non-'normal') views and ideas. If language shapes reality, people's realities can be controlled by controlling the language they use and have access to. By refusing the validity of trans identity and corresponding language (pronouns, etc.), who do you think is being limited.

Read it again.
 
What are trans people *doing to you?

They insist I must say and believe what I know not to be true.

One of the most totalitarian of demands possible.

Hubbard is a man if he want to socially present in a feminine way then that should broadly be protected under general right of freedom of expression.

But he remains a man. I will not lie to myself to appease gaslighters who try to claim pointing our objective reality is hateful.

So I restate the old challenge what exactly is a 'woman'?
 
She is a woman though.

Define 'woman'...

I suspect you can't because your ideology is a garbled bunch of internally contradictory nonsense.

If you'd actually paid attention to Nineteen Eighty-Hour, you'd realise that the stripping down of language was to suppress the expression of 'heretical' (non-'normal') views and ideas. If language shapes reality, people's realities can be controlled by controlling the language they use and have access to. By refusing the validity of trans identity and corresponding language (pronouns, etc.), who do you think is being limited.

Acting in a 'heretical'/ non normal way way doesn't include demanding other people must believe and affirm what is objectively not true.

Jk Rowling expressed this very clearly

Dress however you please. Call yourself whatever you like. Sleep with any consenting adult who’ll have you. Live your best life in peace and security. But force women out of their jobs for stating that sex is real?
 
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