just a quick question to you guys, do you have any redundancy at all? if its network then its not really tsohosts' fault unless they provide the fibres, the only sad thing about working within this industry, your hold my site/server your to blam, you fix it. Adz, good to hear your guys have got people nearby, we've had onsite offices and staff since ph started in 98 and still get people ask if we have onsite offices and staff