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I have flagged him as a die hard vtec fan who is utterly blinded by the hype, can't actually apreciate the existance of potentially alternate/superior technology and will carry on flogging a dead horse to the point where he has to brand a *insert A N other non vtec marque* as boring.
Vtec has its place, its fun to drive at the limits but before engagement the engines are low on torque, thats just a fact, people who live and drive those cars on a daily basis will know this and probably cruise around at around 5k rpm to compensate.
smokey +1
Vtec has its place, its fun to drive at the limits but before engagement the engines are low on torque, thats just a fact, people who live and drive those cars on a daily basis will know this and probably cruise around at around 5k rpm to compensate.
smokey +1
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lol at people arguing over personal preference, what else is to be expected in the first motors thread I clicked on this morning, how predictable.
I've had both turbo charged and high revving four pot engines, Honda make more than one type of 4 cylinder DOHC VTEC engine and believe it or not Honda are not the only manufacturer of cars with a high revving engine.
My personal preference is high revving four cylinder engine its a shame they are becoming a dying breed I think they are more exciting to drive than turbo charged motors which I find a bit "fake" thats just my opinion.
I've had both turbo charged and high revving four pot engines, Honda make more than one type of 4 cylinder DOHC VTEC engine and believe it or not Honda are not the only manufacturer of cars with a high revving engine.
My personal preference is high revving four cylinder engine its a shame they are becoming a dying breed I think they are more exciting to drive than turbo charged motors which I find a bit "fake" thats just my opinion.
LOL, its funny you mention fake. When I first got my VXR, some local Honda fanbois were insistent that an EK4 would be faster up our local unofficial drag strip. When I spotted one of them out one evening, I said lets test it on our way home - he was game. He was on his own, I had two other people in my car and the result wasn't even close, I must have pulled a good 10 car lengths by about 2/3 of the way up (~1/3 - 1/2 mile in total).
The fanbois after this said it was hardly surprising because the VXR has a turbo, so its fake power
The fanbois after this said it was hardly surprising because the VXR has a turbo, so its fake power
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Dont cry mate, its my opinion on the matter not fact. The VXR is quicker than an EK4 because it has more power and torque, its not hard to work out.
160BHP vs what is it the Vauxhall has? 220 or whatever, really not rocket science
160BHP vs what is it the Vauxhall has? 220 or whatever, really not rocket science
I'm not crying, nor am I trying to prove any kind of point - I just told a funny story as your mention of fake reminded me of it.
I'm not particularly partial to any kind of engine. I love my 5 pot, 2.5 Turbo just as much as my old 1.6 turbo, I also love Mazda's rotary in the RX8, as well as my old VR6, my XE Calibra and I'm even looking at a B18 powered Honda as a potential fun car
I appreciate good engines in good cars, that is all.
I'm not particularly partial to any kind of engine. I love my 5 pot, 2.5 Turbo just as much as my old 1.6 turbo, I also love Mazda's rotary in the RX8, as well as my old VR6, my XE Calibra and I'm even looking at a B18 powered Honda as a potential fun car
I appreciate good engines in good cars, that is all.
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Sorry, Diamond Mark and his boyfriends have wound me up and put me on the defensive 
I think he drives a DC5 like me. I was starting to prepare myself to defend him and his theories on VTEC but the way he's argued it has put me off of that idea
The ~220bhp from the K20A DC5 engine has far better throttle response than any other car I've ever driven BUT it is only 220bhp and will never beat the tuning ability of a Turbo.
Against a turbo engine with the same peak power, there will be very little in it at all.
I've owned an MR2 Turbo and find that for back-road thrashing, the DC5 is far superior is almost every way. The MR2 is the only turbo engined car I've driven though, so can't comment on the other marquees available
Hehe its kinda funny that my original question about wither or not the low down pull I felt in my friends 200sx was the turbo feel or not has evolved into people debating the underlying technologies and in one case insulting somebody's Porsche.
At the end of the day vtec, turbos, superchargers and NoS all serve the same purpose and that's making a car faster than it otherwise be. Whenever people hear vtec they think of Civic/Accord/Integra Type-R's which is why vtec gets associated with "smal" engines, they never think of cars like the 3.5L V6 NSX Type-R or the 3.0L V6 Accord coupe, that NSX would embarrass a 3.5L Nissan 350z and the Accord would embarrass a car like the Toyota Supra 3.0L N/A but get annihilated by the Supra 3.0L twin turbo. The current NSX they are racing with has a 3.4L V8!
People compare the Type-R's to newer cars and laugh at them but they forget that they are race derived and that in those races for N/A cars they did exceptionally well against other N/A cars. I love my vtec but im under no illusion about its capability, when the Prelude was new it was on par with the BMW M3 of the day (not bad for a Honda) but today it can only just keep up with Astra VXR's and you see people complaining on forums that they cannot beat Focus RS's the thought of which is just laughable.
At the end of the day if you put a vtec prelude and a non vtec prelude in a drag race one would walk away from the other at 5k RPM, that shows how good the technology is and if you don't go over that 5k point you can get 30-40mpg outa the things which is pretty decent for a 20 year old design that has the option of going fast if you want.
At the end of the day vtec, turbos, superchargers and NoS all serve the same purpose and that's making a car faster than it otherwise be. Whenever people hear vtec they think of Civic/Accord/Integra Type-R's which is why vtec gets associated with "smal" engines, they never think of cars like the 3.5L V6 NSX Type-R or the 3.0L V6 Accord coupe, that NSX would embarrass a 3.5L Nissan 350z and the Accord would embarrass a car like the Toyota Supra 3.0L N/A but get annihilated by the Supra 3.0L twin turbo. The current NSX they are racing with has a 3.4L V8!
People compare the Type-R's to newer cars and laugh at them but they forget that they are race derived and that in those races for N/A cars they did exceptionally well against other N/A cars. I love my vtec but im under no illusion about its capability, when the Prelude was new it was on par with the BMW M3 of the day (not bad for a Honda) but today it can only just keep up with Astra VXR's and you see people complaining on forums that they cannot beat Focus RS's the thought of which is just laughable.
At the end of the day if you put a vtec prelude and a non vtec prelude in a drag race one would walk away from the other at 5k RPM, that shows how good the technology is and if you don't go over that 5k point you can get 30-40mpg outa the things which is pretty decent for a 20 year old design that has the option of going fast if you want.
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Sorry, Diamond Mark and his boyfriends have wound me up and put me on the defensive
he posted here about casinos! I geniunely prefered spirited driving in my S2000 versus a Z4 3.0twin turbo.
The Z4 was a beast when wafting along though, loads of low down grunt but just didn't want to be ragged.
Different power deliveries are suited to the different driving environments, different cars and more importantly, different drivers.
Also it's not as clear cut as Turbo vs High revs, as some engines are definately in the grey area. Some big Turbos are laggy, and need high revs just as much as VTEC engines and some petrol turbos feel like diesel engines with massive torque surges that you have to constantly change gear to ride on.
The Z4 was a beast when wafting along though, loads of low down grunt but just didn't want to be ragged.
Different power deliveries are suited to the different driving environments, different cars and more importantly, different drivers.
Also it's not as clear cut as Turbo vs High revs, as some engines are definately in the grey area. Some big Turbos are laggy, and need high revs just as much as VTEC engines and some petrol turbos feel like diesel engines with massive torque surges that you have to constantly change gear to ride on.
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Incredible point. After the ST he claims to have beaten has had a £200 remap, he isn't going to be beating it any more
Incredible point. After the ST he claims to have beaten has had a £200 remap, he isn't going to be beating it any more
One of those remaps that claims 50bhp and you get half that? Iam well aware a turbo is far easier to tune, if i wanted to smoke Focus ST's on a straight for a living id of bought a Skyline R33 GTR and stuck a giant turbo on, or if i wanted to mod my car for more power i wouldn't have bought a DC5.
But what it will beat an ST in is, looks, driving position, steering feel, brakes, handling, gearbox is a bazillion times better, MPG, seats, etc.
Im not a die hard VTEC fan lol, i can just recognise there very good, fun high reving, reliable engines.
Probly was a bit of a bell end, but turbo's bore me in hot hatches because there all the same.
What would i spend it on? Well me personally id get a TVR Tuscan S, or a nice 3.2 NSX, but thats just me. If i could afford to spend that on a 911, i can run a TVR.
Well newman you can always cam the DC5, cost some serious money, but would be mighty fun. Hell with KPro, full zorst, manifold and gruppe m, your gonna be looking at 240/250 brake which would be plenty quick enough.
ubersonic there is no 3.5 NSX, just 3.0 and the updated 3.2.
Now a NSX-R that would be rather awesome.
ubersonic there is no 3.5 NSX, just 3.0 and the updated 3.2.
Now a NSX-R that would be rather awesome.
The NSX Super GT was a 3.5L V6 (3.494L to be exact) and the NSX HSV-010 GT is 3.4L V8 (3.397L) I know neither is a road going car but I was trying to stress that vtecs aren't just the 1.x-2.xL engined cars you see in McDonald's car park