TV Licence Super Thread
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So very interestingly a chap turned up just now at the door from TV Licensing. I've filled out the declaration online that I don't watch live TV for last 4 years and genuinely don't do it and had no letters from them in years so a bit random.
Asked to see the TV which I showed him doesn't even have an aerial plugged in and then asked to see BBCi player which just loaded into the blank login screen since I never use it.
In and out in about a minute, looks like he just came for my house as he got in the car right after. Must be going after us lot who figured how to fill out the declaration online
yes i'd be careful with that, they will use any tactic to say you have access to live TV
let us know if there is any follow up from this visit
but personally i'd not let them in again if they show up, say nothing to them at all really
Well he said there and then that I'm fine, they'll have a hard time coming up with the evidence of something I'm not doing when I demonstrated that my TV is on the opposite side of the room to where the aerial outlet is, there is no cable for it and showed that I don't watch BBCi player as it wasn't logged in.
Frankly he caught me off guard as I was working late last night and he woke me up. I'm very easily suggestible in the mornings but knew I had nothing to hide
They should really rethink their business model though, lot of people I know do the same with streaming services so popular now.
Switzerland has it they also have proper democracy
from 2018
seems more expensive than it is because of swiss wages being much higher
although if you don't have a tv or radio you don't have to pay it, which changes or changed this year so everyone has to pay it regardless
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People won't pay for a TV license yet the price is nearly the same on the top package for Netflix as it is a a TV licence for a year.
As of 10/06/2019 prices.
Netflix
Basic - 5.99 a month = 71.88 per year (1 device)
Standard - 8.99 a month = 107.88 per year (2 devices)
Premium - 11.99 a month = 143.88 (4 devices)
TV Licence
154.50 for a colour TV licence
As of 10/06/2019 prices.
Netflix
Basic - 5.99 a month = 71.88 per year (1 device)
Standard - 8.99 a month = 107.88 per year (2 devices)
Premium - 11.99 a month = 143.88 (4 devices)
TV Licence
154.50 for a colour TV licence
What I don't understand is how are they able to prosecute you if they don't actually see you watching live tv?
It's like if your car happens to be speeding at 40 in a 30 zone, the police have to identify that you were the person driving the car. If they can't prove it then the case is dropped.
If you don't let them in, I'm assuming you're under no obligation to do so? Then even if your tv did have an ariel plugged in but the tv was off.. what does that prove? Or is it illegal to purely own a device capable of receiving a live signal?
It's like if your car happens to be speeding at 40 in a 30 zone, the police have to identify that you were the person driving the car. If they can't prove it then the case is dropped.
If you don't let them in, I'm assuming you're under no obligation to do so? Then even if your tv did have an ariel plugged in but the tv was off.. what does that prove? Or is it illegal to purely own a device capable of receiving a live signal?
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I don't think in all my living life have I known a court case for a non payer for a TV Licence that got caught watching it. You can own a device that is capable of playing live content but only need a licence if you watch tv or catch up tv as it is been broadcasted live.
Not only is the programming is so far superior it's laughable, but at least the money is also spent far more wisely on programming that we want and not on bias news reporting. It's not the money, it's the principle
It's a choice, I don't watch enough BBC stuff to justify it. Same as I don't pay Sky to not watch Sky.
Netflix and Amazon offer far better programming for me.
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Isn't the onus on the owner to prove they weren't driving it? Or is it they have to identify the driver or face a fine?
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I do agree with that.
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This tbh. I wouldnt have let them in and I would not be filling in any declaration forms of any kind. Just tell them to do one. How many other products or services do you have to prove your NOT using them? Any other licensed service and it is on them to prove against you. As soon as you have contacted them once and have stopped payment, that is it .End of relationship.I personally wouldn't have let them in, regardless of whether or not you have a TV hooked up to an aerial. What would you have done if you loaded up the iPlayer app and it showed the home screen - I've heard stories of them taking that as evidence that you watch TV, so should pay for a license.
Glad that it went all OK for you though
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But that's what they are trying to do, prove that you are watching live TV by any means possible. Once they have this information that's it.
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I think Netflix is good and think that the BBC content is largely poo.
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Yep agreed, I don't nore have any interest in watching live tv. Would rather sit n browse content online all day.
There is a self declaration form that they ask you to fill out. But in my case the incident happened months ago and up to 3 people could drive the car. I visited the police station to view the footage as I couldnt remember who was driving (all 3 of us drive down that road). The footage couldnt identify the person driving. So because I didn't know who was driving I refused to write a name of a person because that could be false too. The police could have dropped the case there. But they didn't. They changed it to accusing me of withholding the identity of the driver. So it went to court. I showed the magistrate my driving licence, and the other 2 peoples licenses, none had any points on. So there was no reason to withhold the information. Then the CPS guy stood up and seemed mixed up and started going on about a different case. So the magistrates threw it out of court.
Maybe it changed these days, I'm not sure. But back then (late 90s early 2000's) they asked me to incriminate myself, which I had a valid reason for not doing as I wasn't sure if it was me or not.
So when the tv license people come around I'm guessing most people must be admitting to watching it. Maybe its the intimidation factor?
Btw, I'm not advocating people purposely lie. I personally don't mind paying the tv license fee as I do make full use of the service. But I'm posing the thought that people must be admitting to it even when the tv license people don't actually see them watching live tv.
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So is it possible to switch to Netflix and not legally have to pay for a TV licence?
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As long as you don't watch live TV or use iPlayer then you don't have to pay for a TV licence.