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When they're not robbing everyone of near on a couple of hundred quid a year they'll have to take a reality check on what they actually need to purchase. Same old issue with state run lefty organisations that there's no regard to spending public money.

Let's see if they continue to fund the likes of Lineker and Naga etc when the beeb has to cut its own commercial viability. ;)
 
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We've actually been contemplating the last few weeks on cancelling our TV licence.

Out of the last 3 months about 1-2% of our viewing time has been on live TV, and of the content we do view on live TV we could just as easily watch it on demand - for non BBC.

I think we'll give it a trial for 3/6 months and see how we go.

I've been considering it too. I don't watch anything live at all. My wife watches CNN but we can just as easily get that via other means.

I really think the license fee needs to go away. Let people choose whether they want to watch the BBC or not.
Maybe fund the core services via a grant etc. and have the rest as a subscription.
 
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I've been considering it too. I don't watch anything live at all. My wife watches CNN but we can just as easily get that via other means.

I really think the license fee needs to go away. Let people choose whether they want to watch the BBC or not.
Maybe fund the core services via a grant etc. and have the rest as a subscription.

We've just put the notice on our Sky package with a view to cancelling the TV license shortly thereafter too.

With the many streaming services available now and how little linear TV that we watch, I just couldn't justify it any more.
 
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I like some BBC content, and regular watch BBC iPlayer and for the most part don't mind paying it. But I think the range of the license should be pulled back. The license should only cover BBC programming and channels, not all live tv. For example why are we paying to watch live tv for non-BBC channels/content? It shouldn't be anything to do with the license.

If I'm watching Sky or Virgin Media TV live channels I should not have to pay for a tv license. I'm already subscribing to those companies via their subscription model. We're effectively paying 2 subscriptions to watch Sky/VM. Why should the BBC get any revenue from us watching other companies content?

£159 per year is a lot of money for people on low or fixed income.
 
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No license fee for 3 years now and I only pay for Prime due to the delivery cost reduction. Next month the analogue phone line goes too and my FTTC to FTTP monthly cost is reducing as a result (same speed for now). I only watch YouTube (though the adverts are becoming intrusive) myself or maybe the odd film on Prime.

I'd consider a BBC service that was monthly and easy to opt in and out. No bullying or shady tactics etc.
 
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No license fee for 3 years now and I only pay for Prime due to the delivery cost reduction. Next month the analogue phone line goes too and my FTTC to FTTP monthly cost is reducing as a result (same speed for now). I only watch YouTube (though the adverts are becoming intrusive) myself or maybe the odd film on Prime.

Getting Youtube Premium through India VPN fixes that problem. Plenty of guides online how to do this :)
 

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Getting Youtube Premium through India VPN fixes that problem. Plenty of guides online how to do this :)
I do this, family sub is the best one which charges around £1.90/month to a fee free credit card. Well worth it and means your kids gaming videos and peppa pig or whatever searches go on their own login :D
 
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We've actually been contemplating the last few weeks on cancelling our TV licence.

Out of the last 3 months about 1-2% of our viewing time has been on live TV, and of the content we do view on live TV we could just as easily watch it on demand - for non BBC.

I think we'll give it a trial for 3/6 months and see how we go.


Cancelled ours 2 years ago. I just use Netflix, Prime and youtube. Don't miss BBC at all...or any of the "live" tv. Your head is better off not hearing of all the negative excrement going on in the world too.
 
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How many people on youtube aren't watching any bbc news content though ? in the same manner you can see c4 news stuff.

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where the money goes ... begrudgingly, unless they are lieing sport & strictly (unless that's learning, or other) are not as much as i thought depite ridiculous salaries

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119m just to collect the fees and 315m to entertain the rest of the world for free. 196m on comedy even though it no longer exists on the BBC...
 
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Keep the public funding for things like the world service, news, political/current affairs programs and maybe some cultural stuff that isn't commercially viable.

Problem is, what stays and goes and ultimately who dictates that?
As arguably others are providing (some of) those services and making it "commercially viable", to some extent/however you want to measure that.

Similarly there's the issue of "backend" services (infrastructure, R&D etc) that the BBC provides to us and others/broadcasters and how you deal with that.

Worth noting though that we do have another state-owned broadcaster, Channel 4 is funded commercially yet has a public service remit and is owned by the state.

BBC provides vastly more services than Channel 4 though.

196m on comedy even though it no longer exists on the BBC...
Odd behaviour punting opinions as fact :confused:
 
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So far I've not seen any Labour MP agree with the scrapping of the license fee, which hits the poorer people in the community hardest.

It's amazing that we have Labour promoting a tax and the Tories talking of suspending/removing it.
Possibly because in the scheme of things the cost of the BBC is very little.

Doris made a huge thing about scrapping the fee rise being done to help the poor, but it's only about £3 a year they're saving, vs the £20 a week UC uplift she voted to scrap, and the tax rises she voted for.
It was one of the most cynical bits of nonsense I've seen from this government, and from a person who is an utter joke and doesn't know the basics about what her job, then doubles down when people correct her.

Every other alternative in terms of actual news and local service that has been looked at to replace the BBC either costs more, doesn't provide access to the whole of the UK, or simply doesn't exist - Doris's comment when someone asked about how they'd do a subscription was telling "97% of the UK has access to SUPER FAST broadband that can carry 7 channels", ignoring that just getting access to that is going to cost more than the licence fee, before any hardware changes needed (I can't think of any halfway reliable ISP that costs just £14 a month).

The only reason the Tories are talking about removing it is because it appeases their nuttier back bench and pulls the news away from their illegal activities for a few days.
Not even the rest of the media market in the UK is in favour of having the BBC go to subscription or advertising, as they know that if that happens it'll kill off half the other broadcasters, and massively weaken most of the survivors as the ad budget won't go up and the BBC will hoover up much of it due to it's audience share.
At the same time it would do away with one of the few UK companies that actively seeks out and promotes new talent into the industry.


119m just to collect the fees and 315m to entertain the rest of the world for free. 196m on comedy even though it no longer exists on the BBC...
How much do you think Sky spends on collection of their fees? How much do you think it costs to arrange and collect payment from advertisers? (and do the market research to make sure you're product is what the advertisers want)

Comedy does exist on the BBC, possibly more now than at any time in the past if you're willing to spend a few minutes looking at listings (which can now be done online rather than in the paper).

IIRC the "entertain the rest of the world" bit was paid for by the government until the government decided to force it onto the licence fee rather than as part of the Foreign Office budget (IIRC it was paid for by a grant until Cameraon or May), and isn't so much entertain, as broadcast news, something that the BBC has a legal obligation under it's charter to do, and has a huge impact on how the rest of the world sees the UK, and has proven time and time again to be the sort of "soft power" diplomacy that pays for itself many times over in the goodwill it produces towards the UK, and in helping get what at times is extremely important information to people (including British citizens abroad) in places where either there is no reliable source of external news, or no other news at all.
 
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I've been considering it too. I don't watch anything live at all. My wife watches CNN but we can just as easily get that via other means.

I really think the license fee needs to go away. Let people choose whether they want to watch the BBC or not.
Maybe fund the core services via a grant etc. and have the rest as a subscription.
IIRC when the tories looked at just funding "core services"/PSB IE the news gathering, they realised that it wouldn't save much per household* unless they really stripped back things like the local coverage which is something that only the BBC seems to bother doing.
Most of the "local" radio stations that used to do new are now parts of a national chain, and the local content for all of them tends to be pre-recorded spots, which is useless for passing on information that is changing.


*They did a study back in around 2010 that they very quickly buried when it suggested it would only save something like £20 a year to remove the entertainment aspects that didn't also include a fair bit of news or educational content. Core PSB is expensive (news reporting has virtually no long term monetary value and can't be repeat much past the day), but the entertainment PSB has residual value that over the space of 5-10+ years largely pays for itself (but that time period is far too long for most commercial entities these days).
 
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119m just to collect the fees

I winced when i read that. I accept that collecting fees isn't free, money has to pay for the systems to be kept updated etc, but i bet that 119m could easily be watered down.

I was surprised at the radio costs, i always thought radio 1 was their main station, but it receives second least amount of funding. Personally i'd question why we need so many stations at a cost of half a bil, but i don't listen to the radio that often.

Distribution costs needs to be expanded on as that seems too generic.
 
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Radio 1 is the station you think of, but it's also primarily playing music tracks so costs are lower, but it also still has dedicated news segments, including from memory some that is tailored to be more appealing in the presentation to younger people (and for whom it might be the only news they get other than on facebook etc).
Radio 4 on the other hand for example has a lot of dedicated specialist news reporting, has radio dramas and all sorts of other content, Radio 5 from memory does a lot of sports reporting (so has to pay for rights), and the various other stations do things like have orchestral performances or more dedicated talk/interactive programming.

The collection fees are already from what I understand much lower as a percentage than say Sky or Virgin, just the lack of an encryption system massively reduces the amount of technology and staffing required to support it.
One of the problems with comparing how much the BBC spends on things vs other broadcaster tends to be that the BBC publishes the information, you don't tend to get the same breakdown from Sky, ITV or Virgin.
 
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Radio 1 is the station you think of, but it's also primarily playing music tracks so costs are lower, but it also still has dedicated news segments, including from memory some that is tailored to be more appealing in the presentation to younger people (and for whom it might be the only news they get other than on facebook etc).
Radio 4 on the other hand for example has a lot of dedicated specialist news reporting, has radio dramas and all sorts of other content, Radio 5 from memory does a lot of sports reporting (so has to pay for rights), and the various other stations do things like have orchestral performances or more dedicated talk/interactive programming.

Makes sense, but i fear that'll be the straw that breaks the camels back - trying to cater for too many audiences is expensive.
 
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But at the same time if you're a PSB and your remit is to provide for all audiences, not just the lowest common denominator (as is often the case with commercial broadcasters), you can't ignore smaller audience groups.
 
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Odd behaviour punting opinions as fact :confused:

What comedy does the BBC make now? They used to make loads, most of their back catalogue is probably really good comedy. I can't think of any modern ones.

They also used to show most of the major sports, but 90% of that is gone.
 
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What comedy does the BBC make now? They used to make loads, most of their back catalogue is probably really good comedy. I can't think of any modern ones.

They also used to show most of the major sports, but 90% of that is gone.

Comedy as a genre has taken a hit on all networks but most of the decent UK stuff has been BBC.

Ghosts
The Outlaws
The Cleaner
Mortimer & Whitehouse: Gone Fishing
Would I Lie To You
Inside No.9
QI

Friday night comedy on Radio 4 is good for listening in the car.

ITV doesn't really do comedy, Sky comedy is pretty naff, Channel 4 just keep bringing out Jimmy Carr and his annoying laugh.

Plus for many new writers BBC three is the only channel they can start out on now as Channel 4 doesn't take as many risks as it used to (even if most of it is rubbish).

Its all personal taste but yeah I wish we had more comedy as a whole, some of the US comedies are ok but don't compare to decent UK comedy.
 
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