You can say it as you like.
You're never getting it sorted to a proper resolution by specially taking steps to make sure it's not going to get sorted.
TV Licence Super Thread
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You can say it as you like.
You're never getting it sorted to a proper resolution by specially taking steps to make sure it's not going to get sorted.
Don't you see how your comments are not helpful and your making it harder to get help to the people who have problems? I never got it sorted to a proper resolution by following the form procedure you are telling us to do. Then when I tell people to do it in a way that gets it sorted you call us whingers. Your putting the blame in the wrong place its not us, the blame belongs with the BBC and there contractors that treat us like criminals all because we don't want to use there service.
What help is being offered?
Advising to do it in a way to guarantee it's not sorted? That's help? Psyching people up to shovel letters in the bin forever? Pseudo legal advice to deny right of access when they make visits?
You can't offer anything other than showing what you've done and what your situation currently is. Is it good?
Thing is people shouldn't have to be submitted to endless spam mail. With so many alternatives for watching media these days most of mine if done on Disney/Amazon/Netflix or the hundreds of Blu Ray and DVD movies i own. No one should have to prove themselves innocent.
Those goons are literally just sales people, earning commission on every licence they manage to sell. So they have no right to hassle people and threatening them in to submission.
Yes my way that I have been posting about for years is good and sorts the problem unlike your way which doesn't really solve anything any often makes the situation worse.
I stand by that the best solution is to have no contact with them bar one legal letter withdrawing there right of access to your property and stating you don't need a licence and don't need to keep renewing every two years and you will contact them if anything changes and that any further continued contact will be seen as harassment.
The reason being if you fill out the form you are giving out your personal information allowing them to use your name and create personalized threats. They don't do this to everyone but have a history of it so why gamble it. Don't let the inspectors in while some are ok they are on commission and have a sales target of how many people to sell a TV licence to. Many have a history of lying and making up fake evidence. One trick I have seen is they get you to sign the form then retroactively fill in evidence and make it looks like you signed and agreed to this evidence that wasnt there. There has been a massive amount of proof posted over the years.
The safest and simplest solution in my experience is to cut off all contact bar one single legal letter. No need to fill out forms over and over again. No more goons trying to earn commission and hassling us, no more letters.
"Pseudo legal advice to deny right of access when they make visits?
You can't offer anything other than showing what you've done and what your situation currently is. Is it good?"
Yes its good and works, in fact it works far better then your solution. Its not Pseudo legal advice as its valid and works. Most of there letters are not posted but put though the door via the inspectors. They cannot spam letters and cannot inspect if they cannot walk down your drive or knock on the door. They cannot look though windows or film into your home if you take away there access rights. Implied right of access and removing that Implied right of access access is perfectly legal and normal in the UK its not Pseudo legal.
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I've shown what I get and I have receipts that my position is acknowledged and accepted over a long period of time.
You don't. You hold beliefs. You use the word gamble obliviously.
Even when I achieved a cancellation of a massive energy bill I got a receipt that the matter was sorted not radio silence. What weight is silence?
MSE promotes doing it properly: https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/broadband-and-tv/tv-licence
It's a mystery why a respected consumer siding site doesn't tell people to cancel a DD without any communication and send a photocopy of a letter off the internet claiming a legal position to TV licencing.
Soldato
Jesus, obviously people have different experiences with tvl, enough with the bickering. My experience was they told me I needed a license when I didn't and only after my complaint got escalated twice did they back down, their call centre people just weren't trained.
been doing the same since about 2013, never had a knock.I've not had a visit from the TV goonsEvery letter goes in the bin.
Zero contact. Been like this since 2017/2018. Long may it continue.
They seemed to stop sending the letters during covid, but I had one again some weeks back.
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No, I don’t have beliefs, I hold facts that you choose to ignore. I too have receipts and hard evidence which proves my experience is real. Just like the others that have reported problems I am sure they can prove it as well. Yes, you don’t have problems well neither did I for the first 4 years then I had 4+ years of problems just like many people. You’re the one with these false beliefs that the licencing system works perfectly and everyone has a smooth experience like yourself.
Throwaray words it well. Different people have diffrent experiences. Its clear that a large number of people are having a negative experience. Just look at all the differing people in the past weeks alone that reported they had problems.
I used the word gamble as that feels like the correct word. You fill out the form and it might go smoothly or it make make the situation worse, you just don't know till after the fact hence its a gamble on the outcome.
Not surprised its a mystery to you. Its pretty clear to everyone else. I did everything you say we should do and none of it worked, 0% which is why I find your belief so wrong.
You've got quite the trend of borrowing and rewording what I say. Even saying things I didn't say as if I did.
So what's the substance which makes your belief not a belief, there's a receipt right? An acknowledgement that the matter is settled?
You've seen that I have my situation acknowledged regularly and you have... what?
Soldato
I just filled in the form without my name - the letters were directed to 'legal occupier' or some such, but they didn't mess around; we moved in January this year, and the letters started in Feb
What I have is evidence that I followed the correct procedure and not only did it not work but it made the situation worse. Along with evidence other people had problems and a negative experience with trying to follow the correct procedures. If you follow this thread for everyone who says the procedure worked there are something like 5 or 10 posts saying it didn't work correctly for them. Yet you ignore all that and pretend like its all our fault.
You have nothing to prove your points having been wrong time and time again. Your belief which comes across as everyone is whingeing and making life harder for ourselves is flat out wrong. That might apply to 1 or 2 outliners but not to majority that ran into problems. It feels like you have your head in the sand and are going it worked well for me so it must be working well for everyone. Anyone who is complaining is at fault and whingeing.
Why do you think it's a whinge thread. No one is about to turn up if it's working/they didn't mess it up are they. And any normal person, like the original poster, leaves after getting a proper solution.
Lying as a distraction doesn't change that you're pushing deliberately doing it wrong as a hobby which is quite messed up.
You call it help, what's the help you offer if they get into trouble claiming a legal position by your recommendation and going to court.
Does anyone with a relevant reputation in looking after consumers call this a good way to cancel a tv licence?
There is no good way to cancel the TVL. That's the point that's been made countless times.
You keep trying to make out that it's the people who are at fault for not doing it 'right' when that is simply a lie and proven many times over in this thread. People have tried the form filling thing, some get good results and others have even more trouble.
I don't think this is a whinge thread. You said it was a whinge thread and I disagreed which is another thing you go wrong. I don't agree everyone leaves after getting a solution. Some people stick around to try to help others like myself. That's perfectly normally despite what you say.
No idea what you are on about lying as a distraction I have never done that. My only goal is to help people who ran into similar problems that I did. No one has ever got into legal trouble by taking my recommendation and why would they? Nothing about my position could get someone into legal trouble as far as I can see. Though I have seen people get into legal trouble by following the same type of advice that you give.
What are people meant to do who run into problems? They can listen to people like my saying I ran into that problem, this is what I did to fix it. Or they can listen to people like you calling them whiners and making it out they are at fault which solves nothing and helps no one.
"No one is about to turn up if it's working/they didn't mess it up are they."
What do you mean? I have no idea what you are trying to say here.
What is going on in this thread? 
Cancelling and ignoring the letters or telling them? Who cares.
The end result is exactly the same.
Myself? I just bin the letters. If BBC want to spend their money paying for letters that's up to them.
If I cancel my Netflix DD they don't send me letters pestering me.
Cancelling and ignoring the letters or telling them? Who cares.
The end result is exactly the same.
Myself? I just bin the letters. If BBC want to spend their money paying for letters that's up to them.
If I cancel my Netflix DD they don't send me letters pestering me.
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It is a whinge thread, I'm stating not asking. It's literally the type of thread it is.
And to accommodate you having no idea where you're lying, at what point do I limit a failure to cancel a tv licence to incompetence of the user. At what point do I say TVL is flawless. You say it but it's not based on any facts.
You don't see what kind of legal trouble is possible because it's the grade of legal advice scraped off the internet. TVL knocks on your door anyway, what are you going to do, rack up a real legal bill many times the value of a licence fee to say they knocked on your door? Make a financial claim based on what? You certainly can't stop TVL posting letters to you.
If you have no agreement that the matter is settled then all you can do from advice you give out is to get spending real money on a truly petty legal claim.
You are like a broken record!
How is one meant to rack up a huge legal bill and be taken to court exactly? If you simply don't make contact and all letters come to legal occupier? They also have zero evidence of any wrong doing. It's just spam letters through your door.
There is a lot to break down here.
You never said the TVL is flawless. What you said and implied time and time again when someone has a problem cancelling the TVL it’s the user’s fault and the user is a whinger and incompetent. Multiple people pointed out this is false and that the TVL has problems. Multiple people gave you their experience of cancelling the TVL not working correctly with them doing everything correctly. Yet you kept calling us incompetent and whingers. Every time someone said there is a problem with the TVL you refused to acknowledge it, instead calling the users various names.
Why do you think I or people like me are going to rack up a real legal bill? That’s nonsense. If the TVL knocks on my door its classed as trespassing. I used the Ring Door ball as evidence and they get fined and if I take them to court they have to pay me harassment money just like they did to all the other people who won there harassment case at court against the TVL.
More innocent people have got into legal trouble by filling out the form and letting the inspector in the home who then faked evidence or mislead the innocent person. Its well documented. That’s why I always advice to politely close the door on them and if you do decide to let them in never, ever sign anything.
This is also a thread for people with problems with the TVL and asking for help. A majority of people are not whinging. My only goal it to help those people who need help. You on the other hand seem to just want to call them names.
I still have no idea why you think I am lying or what you think I am lying about as I have lied about nothing. Please explain in a clear manner. Are you trying to say that everyone that has cancelled the TVL and ran into problems is lying?
You never said the TVL is flawless. What you said and implied time and time again when someone has a problem cancelling the TVL it’s the user’s fault and the user is a whinger and incompetent. Multiple people pointed out this is false and that the TVL has problems. Multiple people gave you their experience of cancelling the TVL not working correctly with them doing everything correctly. Yet you kept calling us incompetent and whingers. Every time someone said there is a problem with the TVL you refused to acknowledge it, instead calling the users various names.
Your wrong it’s not a grade of legal advice scrapped off the internet. It’s a grade of legal advice from solicitors. I was one step away from taking TVL to court for harassment with documentation, CCTV and communication evidence I built up over a few years. If my last attempt removing implied rights of access didn’t work then court would have been the next step.
Why do you think I or people like me are going to rack up a real legal bill? That’s nonsense. If the TVL knocks on my door its classed as trespassing. I used the Ring Door ball as evidence and they get fined and if I take them to court they have to pay me harassment money just like they did to all the other people who won there harassment case at court against the TVL.
More innocent people have got into legal trouble by filling out the form and letting the inspector in the home who then faked evidence or mislead the innocent person. Its well documented. That’s why I always advice to politely close the door on them and if you do decide to let them in never, ever sign anything.
You are wrong again. You see they don’t post out the letters via the post at least when I got the letters they did not. Instead they put it though the door themselves in most cases which is why there letters don't have stamps on and don't come with the normal postman. (Unless its changed recently, I don't get letters anymore). Which is why my method works. I have stopped TVL from sending letters to me. I never fill out the form anymore, I never get letters, never get visitors. They do not contact me anymore. I would have to check my archives for a precise date. It’s been something like 6 years or longer with no contact from them.
That’s not how it works. If you send a legal correspondence via recorded delivery to remove implied right of access, they have a reasonable timeframe to respond then its classed as accepted. Or you can email it in like I did and they will respond accepting the email which is classed the same as a legal letter. Well in my case there was a few extra steps as they refused on false grounds the first time. At which point I pointed out the grounds they refused on was false and they backed down agreeing with me. So now I have a acknowledgement from them which is a receipt.
Soldato
Had my first knock at the door. I didnt answer it as I was doing something.
Left a note to say ‘do not ignore’ and ‘avoid prosecution’ etc etc
What would they even do if I did answer?
“Do you have a TV licence?”
“No”
“Do you watch live TV?”
“No”
Then what?!
Left a note to say ‘do not ignore’ and ‘avoid prosecution’ etc etc
What would they even do if I did answer?
“Do you have a TV licence?”
“No”
“Do you watch live TV?”
“No”
Then what?!