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TV Licence Super Thread
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It'll be a case of what poison tastes the least bitter:
Pill A - included in council tax - everyone will have to pay it but then should be a bit smaller with so many new people being forced to pay it.
Pill B - included in your broadband/mobile phone, touted as acommunist communication tax as that's what the BBC do, commune communicate, even if you don't hear/listen to it.
Pill C - take it from PAYE at wage source, because heaven forbid we take it from thosethat vote for them that can't afford it.
Shame they took down that BBC Bitesize game for kids that I hear a lot about....
Pill A - included in council tax - everyone will have to pay it but then should be a bit smaller with so many new people being forced to pay it.
Pill B - included in your broadband/mobile phone, touted as a
Pill C - take it from PAYE at wage source, because heaven forbid we take it from those
Shame they took down that BBC Bitesize game for kids that I hear a lot about....
That's the one!
The absolute best bit of that report is when he says ‘almost every right wing answer has negative impacts on the economy and public health’, it seems he actually learn’t something from the game so maybe it worked afterall but he just didn’t like the fact that right wing populist policies are generally bad for the country…..
Right wing stuff is good for those who have good jobs, good health, very rich.
America does well as a country (gdp) but quality of life if you are unfortunate is not good. Especially at end of life when your medical bills sky rocket.
America does well as a country (gdp) but quality of life if you are unfortunate is not good. Especially at end of life when your medical bills sky rocket.
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Which is kind of exactly what the answers on the bitesize quiz said!
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Or want security, safety and a country that cares for its own citizens above those of other nationalities that seek to leach from it?
No that’s the populist stuff that gets them elected then what they actually do is stuff the pockets of the rich while systematically doing over the poor that voted for them. If you care to look there is an orange man in the news all the time he makes a good object lesson. Oh and he’s trying to take the BBC to the cleaners for 10 billion so you will probably all love him and turn a blind eye to his rank corruption just to ‘stick it to the man’!
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Hopefully it puts them out of business before they start leeching off council tax or broadband services
You've basically just described all tax, I pay a fortune each month for things I don't want or use (or often, that I am actively opposed to), makes the tiny amount I pay for the TV licence seem like great value for what I get.
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the difference is societal need.
wether you're personally using it or not, we all need a functioning healthcare system, infrastructure like roads, water, sewage, protective services like military, policing and fire services that keep us safe, schooling etc. in many cases it's unavoidable that you're using these services directly and in the rest you're indirectly benifitting.
tax pays for these things because collectively as a society we've deemed some things need to be done that are beyond the resources of a single individual to accomplish.
what societal need is a bunch of sort of famous people dancing on tv fulfilling?
Yes, some stuff that taxes pay for is worthwhile and absolutely necessary, plenty isn't, but I can't opt out of those.
The BBC does fulfil a societal need, it provides high quality, educational content, entertainment (which I would argue is important), news, as well as a huge range of services across multiple platforms.
Heck, the license fee is worth cost alone just for getting to watch Trump's lawsuit flailing around as the BBC seem to be the only broadcaster that has actually stood up to him rather than just rolling over.
All subjective and all covered by alternative providers.
Which is your subjective opinion!
The future of the BBC should definitely be open for debate, intelligent discussion of how it can fulfil it's public broadcasting remit, remain relevant and keep it's costs to a minimum should be encouraged. Sadly most of the anti BBC commentary in this thread seems to come from people who think it is some communist mouth piece actively campaigning for the end of the united kingdom which really they know isn't true, Nigel Farage wouldn't get such a disproportionate mount of airtime if that were true!
There is no way it goes the way of the dodo just yet, the political will to make this happen just isn't there at this point in time. What I think we will see is a reduced BBC (This is already happening) with a permanent charter and a new way of covering it's costs be that a digital services tax, a council tax levy or money from general taxation. Those who hate the BBC won't be happy some others will lament the reduction of a national institution that is globally recognised and as always the truth will be somewhere in the middle.
What don't you need or won't need in the future?
Yeah no political party would let it die. Especially not reform.
No one has the bottle for that. No one wants to deal with this issue either in general.
I'd still say a compromise is spin off entertainment and sport etc and tax pays for essentials like education, local news.
But I don't think this will happen. It's too difficult an there are too many vested interests and high salaries that would go.
That stuff, the entertainment, can all be paid for via ads, subscriptions whatever. Or even bought by ITV or something.
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Exactly! So if there's no value in it for me (outside of international football tournaments every 2 years and even then the choice to watch on the bbc falls on whose co-commentating), the last time I actually watched something on the bbc was 4 years ago - s1 of The Traitors. Why should I be forced to pay for it?
Well its only a 'reduced' bbc because they keep cutting departments and services (BBC Three, BBC Scotland and BBC Radio 4 Extra the latest to get the chop), and again why should any company that rakes in 6 billion a year essentially get a 'get out of jail free card' and have people forced to pay for it? There are millions in this country living below the poverty line and yet if people such as yourself get their way they will soon have a new bill to include in their budget.
is it really globally recognised these days? That might have been true 30/40 years ago but it seems most people know it for the almost annual scandals its involved in popping up these days.
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