Two match ban for swearing!

Lakeland · 4 Apr 2011 at 19:59

There is no respect for the ref IMO. Rugby is an excellent example of how it can be done well.

Nate75 · 4 Apr 2011 at 20:06

cm1179 said:
right decision. rooney needs a bit of therapy or something, first elbowing someone for no reason (which surely has only helped to make this decision easier for the FA) and now acting like this. he didn't look like a man who was excited, he looked like a man who was thoroughly angry and decided to swear blatently down the camera at (what?) 13:45 on a saturday afternoon in a match broadcast in nearly 250 countries? 99% of other players who had just got their team back into such an important game would have been smiling and happy, rooney looked like he'd just been turfed out of a brothel.

No defending the elbow to be fair.

But this is a nothing argument otherwise. Please get this in perspective, he swore down a camera.

G|mp · 4 Apr 2011 at 20:08

cm1179 · 4 Apr 2011 at 20:16

Nate75 said:
No defending the elbow to be fair.

But this is a nothing argument otherwise. Please get this in perspective, he swore down a camera.

and held you to ransom over his (already astronomical) wages. but hey, he's more than made up for that though, hasn't he? i'm sure even the fans who slagged him off over that scenario have forgiven him. the lad needs to see a shrink, most people pull their socks up when they become a father, he's turned into a yob.

chant should go ''i am wayne rooney and i do what i want''

Nate75 · 4 Apr 2011 at 20:19

cm1179 said:
and held you to ransom over his (already astronomical) wages. but hey, he's more than made up for that though, hasn't he? i'm sure even the fans who slagged him off over that scenario have forgiven him. the lad needs to see a shrink, most people pull their socks up when they become a father, he's turned into a yob.

chant should go ''i am wayne rooney and i do what i want''

Haters gonna hate etc.

DanH84 · 4 Apr 2011 at 20:19

cm1179 said:
right decision. rooney needs a bit of therapy or something, first elbowing someone for no reason (which surely has only helped to make this decision easier for the FA) and now acting like this. he didn't look like a man who was excited, he looked like a man who was thoroughly angry and decided to swear blatently down the camera at (what?) 13:45 on a saturday afternoon in a match broadcast in nearly 250 countries? 99% of other players who had just got their team back into such an important game would have been smiling and happy, rooney looked like he'd just been turfed out of a brothel.

well, despite the fact that you apparently think the match was broadcast in more countries than are actually in existence (as defined by the UN and separately the US) and seem to display a startling lack of awareness of the concept of timezones, apart from those points I think the rest of your post is complete nonsense.

Castiel · 4 Apr 2011 at 20:20

Lakeland said:
There is no respect for the ref IMO. Rugby is an excellent example of how it can be done well.

Rugby Referees don't make so many obviously biased decisions either.

Respect should be earned, not enforced by legislation.

cm1179 · 4 Apr 2011 at 20:27

DanH84 said:
well, despite the fact that you apparently think the match was broadcast in more countries than are actually in existence (as defined by the UN and separately the US) and seem to display a startling lack of awareness of the concept of timezones, apart from those points I think the rest of your post is complete nonsense.

my nearly 250 country comment was essentially saying you'd be hard pushed to find a place where you couldn't watch this in the world if you really wanted too , i may have been out with my time though. oh well.
you obviously thought wayne rooney was pulling a happy face then?

Castiel · 4 Apr 2011 at 20:29

cm1179 said:
right decision. rooney needs a bit of therapy or something, first elbowing someone for no reason (which surely has only helped to make this decision easier for the FA) and now acting like this. he didn't look like a man who was excited, he looked like a man who was thoroughly angry and decided to swear blatently down the camera at (what?) 13:45 on a saturday afternoon in a match broadcast in nearly 250 countries? 99% of other players who had just got their team back into such an important game would have been smiling and happy, rooney looked like he'd just been turfed out of a brothel.

250 countries?

Do they have PPV on Mars?

Rooney is no different from many players, he is young, intense, competitive and sometimes the aggression inherent in successful sportmen spills over.

It doesn't mean he needs therapy, or that he is any different from any other young sportsman, he just needs to mature and learn to harness that aggression better on the field.

There are worse players than Rooney in the premiership, John Terry, Joey Barton, and Didier Drogba to name a few all who should be older and wiser.

cm1179 · 4 Apr 2011 at 20:33

Castiel said:
250 countries?

Do they have PPV on Mars?

Rooney is no different from many players, he is young, intense, competitive and sometimes the aggression inherent in successful sportmen spills over.

It doesn't mean he needs therapy, or that he is any different from any other young sportsman, he just needs to mature and learn to harness that aggression better on the field.

There are worse players than Rooney in the premiership, John Terry, Joey Barton, and Didier Drogba to name a few all who should be older and wiser.

he isn't that young and he is extremely competitive, that's obvious. john terry isn't worse as a player but he is a dispicable human being, drogba is acutally a far more decent player on the pitch these days, barton's just still barton i guess

One More Solo · 4 Apr 2011 at 20:39

Lakeland said:
There is no respect for the ref IMO. Rugby is an excellent example of how it can be done well.

Maybe that's because rugby referees treat the players with respect rather than disdain and, by virtue of the Ref Link system, have to clearly explain and justify their decisions on the pitch.

Lakeland · 4 Apr 2011 at 20:42

Castiel said:
Rugby Referees don't make so many obviously biased decisions either.

Respect should be earned, not enforced by legislation.

I do agree with the latter, however I didn't mention legislation.

Castiel · 4 Apr 2011 at 20:44

cm1179 said:
he isn't that young and he is extremely competitive, that's obvious. john terry isn't worse as a player but he is a dispicable human being, drogba is acutally a far more decent player on the pitch these days, barton's just still barton i guess

Rooney is only 25, that is young.

Drogba, well behaved??? It was only last year that he stamped on Thiago Motta.

The point is that Rooney is not some half-crazed psycho like you make him out to be, in fact as was pointed out by another poster, Tennis players swear on court as a matter of course.

A two match ban is excessive and you have to ask yourself, is he being made an example of, and if so, is that fair to the player and the club.

Greenlizard0 · 4 Apr 2011 at 20:47

Lakeland said:
There is no respect for the ref IMO. Rugby is an excellent example of how it can be done well.

Then you need to change who plays football.

Rugby is full of middle class ex public school toffs with double barrelled surnames.

Football is full of Joey Barton, John Terry and Wayne Rooney.

cm1179 · 4 Apr 2011 at 20:48

Castiel said:
Rooney is only 25, that is young.

Drogba, well behaved??? It was only last year that he stamped on Thiago Motta.

The point is that Rooney is not some half-crazed psycho like you make him out to be, in fact as was pointed out by another poster, Tennis players swear on court as a matter of course.

A two match ban is excessive, and you have to ask yourself, is he being made an example of, and if so, is that fair to the player and the club.

he's been a pro since 16/17 hasn't he? i suppose 25 is young but when you've been a pro for that long, i can't understand why he's acting like he is now rather than his late teens, early 20's plus the fact he's now a father. players swear on the pitch all the time as do other sportsman though, not straight down the camera when they've just turned things around for a positive though.

Castiel · 4 Apr 2011 at 20:57

cm1179 said:
he's been a pro since 16/17 hasn't he? i suppose 25 is young but when you've been a pro for that long, i can't understand why he's acting like he is now rather than his late teens, early 20's plus the fact he's now a father. players swear on the pitch all the time as do other sportsman though, not straight down the camera when they've just turned things around for a positive though.

Whether he has been doing a job for x amount of years doesn't affect his temperament in a pressure cooker environment, neither does being a father.

When you are young, hot headed and subjected to the abuse from fans that he is, then he will 'lose' it on occasion, anyone will.

I was a hothead at 25, I'm not now and I was in a high stress, results based environment from a similar age to Rooney. He'll calm down as he gets older and wiser.

I can't see him being like Drogba for example, who is just a nasty human being.

Whether he swears at the camera or on the pitch shouldn't make any difference, if profanity is prohibited during a match then the rule shoukd be applied equally, otherwise he is being singled out for who he is and not the offence.

That is unfair and wrong.

Lakeland · 4 Apr 2011 at 20:57

Greenlizard0 said:
Then you need to change who plays football.

Rugby is full of middle class ex public school toffs with double barrelled surnames.

Football is full of Joey Barton, John Terry and Wayne Rooney.

Even if partially accurate, I don't think that has anything to do with respect. These people you mention only have no respect because they can get away with it.

G|mp · 4 Apr 2011 at 20:59

How quick Spurs fans are to forget how much of a **** Ledley King is and he's not half as good as our ****.

Castiel · 4 Apr 2011 at 21:02

Lakeland said:
Even if partially accurate, I don't think that has anything to do with respect. These people you mention only have no respect because they can get away with it.

Not true, they obviously do not get away with it all the time.

When there is no recourse for complaint that doesn't inspire mutual respect, especially when Referees are immune to criticism from Managers and Players alike.

Lakeland · 4 Apr 2011 at 21:11

Castiel said:
Not true, they obviously do not get away with it all the time.

When there is no recourse for complaint that doesn't inspire mutual respect, especially when Referees are immune to criticism from Managers and Players alike.

The part where you say "don't get away with it all the time" sums it up, there has to be consistency otherwise players will try to push the boundaries all the time.

I can't say I know too much about football referees to be honest, why are they immune to criticism? Almost sounds like they are being protected, perhaps they are too caught up in money/favours for swaying decisions.