No, off VTEC it's just like any other 2.0 N/A.
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No, off VTEC it's just like any other 2.0 N/A.
Essentially no, they're both short stroke engines, hence little torque, high RPM yet still delivers high power outputs.
I've driven an 05 Civic Type R, it was still fairly rapid off Vtec, certainly in 1st.
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I think the engine capacity has far more to do with the torque output than the stroke relationships.
75% of max torque until atleast half the engines redline on that bike isnt particularly like a VTEC lump.
But the gearing on Diesels compensates for that. For example my car goes from 40 to 90 in 4th gear at what I would describe a fairly rapid pace. That's not different to a Petrol car doing the same in 3rd gear.
All you need to do is adjust your driving style. The diesel engine in my car is the least of my worries, the terrible understeer and completly numb steering that bothers me.
But I am right in saying that they're both short stroke engines?
Have you tried the Fabia vRS? Less assistance on the steering, softer but more usable chassis that won't crack your spine.
I did take a look at one, but never drove it. They had a vile interior and less toys, but I wasn't aware they were a better set up car.
The ride doesn't bother me to much to be honest, I didn't buy it expecting it to ride like an Audi A4 SE.
Torque is fine from 3rd, 4th and 5th gear but too much on 1st and 2nd gear. That is from 3 and half years of driving ford mondeo tddi!
Gearing on diesel doesn't compensate for the narrow powerband though.
86mm is hardly short mate.
An engine with a short stroke will deliver more BHP, a long stroke will deliver more torque. A square setup (ie that of the K20 engine - 86mmx86mm) gives good a balance.
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I disagree, the 1.8 VVTi twin cam celica i drove the day after for example, despite being 200cc down pulled a lot better off cam, and i don't remember my 2l mondeo being such a PITA.
Not sure why it would feel like that, the figures tell a different story.
It puts out around 140 lb/ft of torque over most of the rev range (including when out of VTEC) which is pretty much on par with other N/A 2.0 16v engines. Infact, it's a bit more than the ~130 lb/ft of the 2.0 Mondeo
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I agree with that your saying about 1st and 2nd gear on a diesel, but all the other gears compensate for the narrow power band fine. 30 - 75 in 3rd, 40 - 95 in 4th, 50 - 110 in 5th and 60 - 135 in 6th, not what I would be describe as a narrow power delivery.
It will be placebo due to it being so crazy when on cam
My little jibe by the way was just joking at you saying its as good as a normal 2.0 N/A, not really saying much there!