I thought he did, but didn't want to assume. I can only assume that he has only read the Mirror for his facts if this is the case.....
u21 england squad racially abused
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I thought he did, but didn't want to assume. I can only assume that he has only read the Mirror for his facts if this is the case.....
Shocking, send him back
(joke).They seem to have a bit of history:
- At the European Under-21 Championship in 2007 - racist chants aimed at England defender Nedum Onuoha.
- At another European Championship qualifying match in Italy - Serbian fans had been throwing flares both into the stands and on to the pitch.
- Serbia's goalkeeper Vladimir Stojkovic was to be hit by at least one firework from the crowd in another incident.
Have you ever been in such a situation? If not, your not really in a great position to analyse the reactions of others who have.
Reacting to racism by kicking a ball now constitutes being an ***? ******* hell, your acting like he jumped into the crowd and started a fist fight.
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Serbian FA have just claimed it is impossible for their fans to be racist because racism is a crime and crime is for black people.
You didn't want to assume but then did anyway, righto. You assumed wrong on all counts.
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Serbian FA have just claimed it is impossible for their fans to be racist because racism is a crime and crime is for black people.
Possibly two of the greatest posts I have ever seen on OcUK.
The Serbians seem to have adopted this childish mentality where if they deny that anything happened, then nothing has happened. Sadly in the real world Serbian fans continue to be racist and their players continue to be violent thugs. It'll never get better until they admit they have a problem but Fifa/Uefa refuse to force Serbia to admit that they have a problem.
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Just seen on the news that UEFA are beginning proceedings against both the Serbian and English FA over the behaviour of their players.
What a joke.
What a joke.
Just seen on the news that UEFA are beginning proceedings against both the Serbian and English FA over the behaviour of their players.
What a joke.
Seems fair enough - the racism is not on but the behaviour exhibited by both teams of players was not an appropriate reaction so it's only right that proceedings are brought against both teams. Seems the proceedings are directed at the Serbian FA for the conduct of the players and the fans and against the English for the conduct of the players. Behaving the way we did shouldn't be excused just because 'he started it miss'
What will be entirely wrong is if the entire racism issue is swept under the carpet and it's treated as if two teams just had a scrap after a game.
I agree, both teams behaved appallingly. Rose shouldn't have kicked the ball in anger, or played to the crowd doing his monkey gesture.
You might not be able to control the crowd. But you can't start having a go at the crowd when you start behaving like them.
Not so sure I agree...
If we consider on one side:-
- An hour plus of racial abuse/sounds. Where else can you imagine an individual being forced to be in an environment like that, seemingly with no one organising the event doing anything to address it?
- Items being thrown at them.
- This isn't a one off, but there is a history of it.
- England players and staff being kicked be pushed.
...and now the other side:-
- After an hour+ of seemingly endless mindless racial abuse with seemingly nothing being done about it (in supposedly a professionally organised setting) - go figure - someones nerve broke and they.... kicked a football in anger.
You can certainly see how the book should be thrown at both sides can't you
And you have to wonder, if that football hadn't been kicked in anger, if the whole matter would have instead have been completely ignored as it wouldn't have come to a head like it did.
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and this is the problem. As a professional football player he should never has reacted to the crowd. I know its hard when yo are getting insults hurled at you all match long. But lets cast our minds back to the late 80's (1987) when John Barnes was the first black player at liverpool, the crowd (including his own god damn fans) threw bananas at him amongst other thing, yet I don't ever recall reading in the papers about John Barnes losing the plot and rising to the crowds baiting.
These footballers get paid enough to be able to control themselves. Whilst FIFA and UEFA are admitedly a waste of space you have to leave these matters with them for resolution. Goading / rising to the crowds chanting and abuse will not solve anything other than end you up in the position where your countries FA will get worked over in addition to the offending countries one as can be seen here how UEFA are going to now throw the book at England FA and Serbia.
Antagonism is not an excuse for 'breaking rank' although it is understandable in certain circumstances.
If people are suggesting that the entirety of the poor behaviour on England's behalf extends absolutely no further than one man kicking a ball at the crowd, then I can only assume people are blind or just wilfully ignorant.
Both teams behaved poorly after that game and it's only right that both teams poor behaviour is looked at and dealt with accordingly, along with the obvious crowd issues. It was the sort of thing you expect to see after a Sunday league game, not international level football.
Both teams behaved poorly after that game and it's only right that both teams poor behaviour is looked at and dealt with accordingly, along with the obvious crowd issues. It was the sort of thing you expect to see after a Sunday league game, not international level football.
I agree that both squads should be punished for their behaviour after the game.
The Serbian FA have a lot to answer for in regards to the crowd problems too, shocking that these issues still exist in modern life, let alone modern football.
I hope that UEFA punish both sets of squads accordingly and come down like a tonne of bricks on the Serbian FA who have previous for these problems.
The Serbian FA have a lot to answer for in regards to the crowd problems too, shocking that these issues still exist in modern life, let alone modern football.
I hope that UEFA punish both sets of squads accordingly and come down like a tonne of bricks on the Serbian FA who have previous for these problems.
Absolutely agree!
We have young players in supposedly an international "professional" setting having to put up with racial abuse and objects being thrown at them, not just for a few minutes, but seemingly for the whole game.
Is it the least bit surprising an individual subjected to this for hour(s) finally breaks? And his crime? Kicking a football hard!
On the other hand we have:-
- Racial abuse, seemingly being completely ignored for hours.
- Objects being thrown. Again ignored.
- Serb players barging, pushing, kicking England players and staff.
Seems to even mention these offenses in the same sentence is so unfair to be ridiculous!
Should he have reacted? Of course not, but at the end of the day he broke! But given the events is it surprising? And what heinous way did he brake? He kicked a football! Let's keep things in perspective here before we hang him out to dry!
Let us also remember, he was the only individual to receive a red card (for kicking a ball). The Serb players physically attacking (barging and kicking) other players (and staff) have been ignored (thus far).
Their damage limitation and spin machine is in over drive! The Serbian F.A. have released a video showing Danny Rose's touches of the ball to show they was no racist chanting from the fans. However the video stops at 76 minutes and obviously fails to include the obvious monkey chants at the end of the game.
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Mean while Serbian midfielder Nikola Ninkonvic "claimed the aggression he showed towards Rose was caused by his 'inappropriate gestures' to home supporters"......"I was angered by his reaction so I rushed over to 'explain' that he should not do that......I did not mean to hit or insult him".
They really are fighting tooth and nail. Why? Will UEFA not come down harder with such blatant ignorance of the truth (possibly a stupid question when it comes to UEFA)?
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Mean while Serbian midfielder Nikola Ninkonvic "claimed the aggression he showed towards Rose was caused by his 'inappropriate gestures' to home supporters"......"I was angered by his reaction so I rushed over to 'explain' that he should not do that......I did not mean to hit or insult him".
They really are fighting tooth and nail. Why? Will UEFA not come down harder with such blatant ignorance of the truth (possibly a stupid question when it comes to UEFA)?
I found Fergies comments on Roberts stance rather curious considering the fuss with Evra recently. I don't think he's making a name for himself, rather highlighting how he finds it hard to support something that's really just being played at to keep people happy.
Roberts told Sky Sports News he would not be wearing his T-shirt because he felt Kick it Out had failed in its attempt to tackle racism in football and not been strident enough in their response to the John Terry and Luis Suarez racial abuse incidents.
"I have to disagree with Jason Roberts. I think he is making the wrong point," Ferguson said. "Everyone should be united, with all the players in the country wearing the Kick it Out warm-up tops.
"I don't know what point he is trying to make. I don't know if he is trying to put himself on a different pedestal from everyone. But he really should be supporting all the rest of the players who are doing it."
As a leading anti-racism campaigner, United defender Rio - whose brother Anton was the subject of racist abuse from Chelsea captain Terry - would be an obvious candidate to snub the campaign.
However, it does not appear that will happen and Ferguson added: "When you do something, and everyone believes in it, you should all do it together. There shouldn't be sheep wandering off.
"I think he is making the wrong message. All the players are wearing it. I have only heard that Jason Roberts is different - but he is very different. He plays a game and is in the studio 20 minutes after it. That is a great privilege."
Ferguson's stance won backing from Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger, who said: "If they (black players) do not join in, that makes the campaign not credible."
Roberts told Sky Sports News he would not be wearing his T-shirt because he felt Kick it Out had failed in its attempt to tackle racism in football and not been strident enough in their response to the John Terry and Luis Suarez racial abuse incidents.
"I have to disagree with Jason Roberts. I think he is making the wrong point," Ferguson said. "Everyone should be united, with all the players in the country wearing the Kick it Out warm-up tops.
"I don't know what point he is trying to make. I don't know if he is trying to put himself on a different pedestal from everyone. But he really should be supporting all the rest of the players who are doing it."
As a leading anti-racism campaigner, United defender Rio - whose brother Anton was the subject of racist abuse from Chelsea captain Terry - would be an obvious candidate to snub the campaign.
However, it does not appear that will happen and Ferguson added: "When you do something, and everyone believes in it, you should all do it together. There shouldn't be sheep wandering off.
"I think he is making the wrong message. All the players are wearing it. I have only heard that Jason Roberts is different - but he is very different. He plays a game and is in the studio 20 minutes after it. That is a great privilege."
Ferguson's stance won backing from Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger, who said: "If they (black players) do not join in, that makes the campaign not credible."