Uber to lose licence to operate in London

majestyk said:
Here's some more lies.


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As for the UK/London £1m+ profit, I'm sure Goldman Sachs are getting a hard on over that.
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It's worth noting Uber is losing $1bn a year in China alone.

https://www.theguardian.com/technol...pany-losing-1-billion-a-year-compete-in-china

drunkenmaster feel free to explain why uber is happy to burn through $1bn a year in China other than gaining market share to grow.

All disruptive technologies/companies need to do this as they don't have an established brand or track record to begin with. They need grow quickly as well since if you don't someone else will (unless you have patents).

Uber is also now profitable in the USA.
 
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Glaucus said:
but your using loss figures from 2015 and uber sold to didi in 2016, more misrepresentation from you.

perhaps your clear hatred of them is clouding your mind.
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Nope. 2016.

http://uk.businessinsider.com/uber-2016-financial-numbers-revenue-losses-2017-4?r=US&IR=T

http://money.cnn.com/2017/04/14/technology/uber-financials/index.html

And UberX aka Prius is £1.25 per mile. Less 25% commission. 20% was for early adopters.

http://uber-rates-london-uk.uber-fare-estimator.com/

I take it your £1.80 was guesswork.
 
muon said:
What about Addison Lee or Black Cabs?

https://www.employeebenefits.co.uk/...e-face-legal-action-holiday-pay-minimum-wage/

When will TfL be taken to court over the same things?
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Not sure where black cabs come into any discussion re sick pay, benefits, or holiday pay.
Every black cab driver is self-employed, he doesn't "work" for anyone other than himself, whether he owns his own taxi, or rents one from a fleet owner.
When I successfully completed the Knowledge, about a million years ago, I knew that if I wanted to go on holiday, I could go, anytime I liked, and for as long as I liked, but I also knew, and cheerfully accepted, that I'd get no holiday pay.
I knew THAT when I started the Knowledge, it was part of the reason for going out on a moped in hot weather, cold weather, rain, snow, heatwaves, getting the occasional puncture, looking for obscure lanes and mews, and embassies of countries I'd never heard of.
When, after 22 months back in the 70s, I got that green badge, I knew that I could go to work WHEN I wanted to go to work, and finish WHEN I wanted to finish, and earn a nice few quid for doing it.
If I fancied 3 weeks in New York, I'd just go, if I landed back at Heathrow with £4 and a $5 bill in my pocket, I'd do 8 or 9 twelve hour days, and get it all back.
 
I dont understand why Uber should have lost it licence to operate in london,These black cabs need cheaper competition because they are a ripoff.
Black cabbies just didn't like it because they were been undercut.
 
Nevakonaza said:
I dont understand why Uber should have lost it licence to operate in london,These black cabs need cheaper competition because they are a ripoff.
Black cabbies just didn't like it because they were been undercut.
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Read the reasoning.

Black cabs have the pricing set by the regulator (TFL).

Uber have basically ignored the most basic regulations required for them to operate in London (and pretty much every other market that requires such companies to perform checks on their staff), now can you imagine why TFL will have wanted to stop them operating?
The utterly stupid thing is, Uber as an idea is great, and Uber themselves could easily have prevented this situation but thought they could just ignore the rules and be "disruptive to the market" (read that as breaking the law until they can pour enough money into PR and lobbying to change it), but forgot that there are some parts of the law that won't get changed as it's a minimum safety level.

Things like checking the drivers are insured correctly, have roadworthy vehicles and a valid driving licence are expected of even the smallest operator, let alone a company with 40k drivers.
 
Jean-F said:
Not sure where black cabs come into any discussion re sick pay, benefits, or holiday pay.
Every black cab driver is self-employed, he doesn't "work" for anyone other than himself, whether he owns his own taxi, or rents one from a fleet owner.
When I successfully completed the Knowledge, about a million years ago, I knew that if I wanted to go on holiday, I could go, anytime I liked, and for as long as I liked, but I also knew, and cheerfully accepted, that I'd get no holiday pay.
I knew THAT when I started the Knowledge, it was part of the reason for going out on a moped in hot weather, cold weather, rain, snow, heatwaves, getting the occasional puncture, looking for obscure lanes and mews, and embassies of countries I'd never heard of.
When, after 22 months back in the 70s, I got that green badge, I knew that I could go to work WHEN I wanted to go to work, and finish WHEN I wanted to finish, and earn a nice few quid for doing it.
If I fancied 3 weeks in New York, I'd just go, if I landed back at Heathrow with £4 and a $5 bill in my pocket, I'd do 8 or 9 twelve hour days, and get it all back.
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But that's exactly how drivers that get customers from Uber or Addison Lee operate. Yet they may be forced to treat their drivers employees. Like you most Uber and Addison Lee drivers are happy to be self employed due to the flexibility.

Uber drivers own or rent their own car, pay their own petrol, insurance etc. Uber handle all the administration and set the fares. See the similarities to black cabs? Almost identical. I could say black cabs are actually TfL employees using some of the arguments used against Uber.

Werewolf said:
Things like checking the drivers are insured correctly, have roadworthy vehicles and a valid driving licence are expected of even the smallest operator, let alone a company with 40k drivers.
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Actually most of the checks you are talking about are done by TfL themselves when awarding individual licences to cars and MUST be done through them. Uber and minicab companies have nothing to do with it and simply check that a vehicle and driver is licenced properly.

https://tfl.gov.uk/info-for/taxis-and-private-hire/licensing/private-hire-vehicle-licence

So much misinformation in this thread.

What you don't get is that there is a massive anti-uber lobby out there simply because they are cheaper resulting in lower custom for more expensive taxis. Hardly any arguments have any real substance. It is a case of throwing everything against the wall and hoping something sticks, tax, unfair pricing, benefits, crime, illegal immigration, english skills, sexual assaults, corporate malpractice in America.

In this case it appears to have worked on the sexual assaults angle and perhaps some people not being background checked in time.

The people that will lose out are the millions of users of Uber and the 10s of thousands of drivers. All to please this lobby who's pockets have been hurt. The same lobby has been crying about the entire minicab industry for longer than Uber has existed with almost entirely the same arguments.

They have been using data like this

https://tfl.gov.uk/corporate/safety-and-security/security-on-the-network/tph-related-sexual-offences
 
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Werewolf said:
Read the reasoning.

Black cabs have the pricing set by the regulator (TFL).

Uber have basically ignored the most basic regulations required for them to operate in London (and pretty much every other market that requires such companies to perform checks on their staff), now can you imagine why TFL will have wanted to stop them operating?
The utterly stupid thing is, Uber as an idea is great, and Uber themselves could easily have prevented this situation but thought they could just ignore the rules and be "disruptive to the market" (read that as breaking the law until they can pour enough money into PR and lobbying to change it), but forgot that there are some parts of the law that won't get changed as it's a minimum safety level.

Things like checking the drivers are insured correctly, have roadworthy vehicles and a valid driving licence are expected of even the smallest operator, let alone a company with 40k drivers.
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There have also been proven incidents of fare exploration by drivers . Uber have a surge pricing structure , when demand is high fares go up , I have seen 4x basic fare price during busy periods .

I know ( I’m in the trade ) driver WhatsApp groups refuse to take work to exploit this price surging .

In addition to the above a lot of you are being driven around uninsured as well . Provate hire and reward insurance is very expensive , most policies will be between £2000 and £3000 a year . A lot of driver pay the first months instalment cancel the policy and have a certificate for a year ( they take a basic car policy for the rest of it ). This is some thing Uber should be checking on with Insurance company’s as an operator and don’t .



The tech is superb but the company and its working practices stink to high heaven -don’t feel sorry for the drives as all 40,000 of them could be employed by Monday afternoon if they chose to.
 
Jean-F said:
Not sure where black cabs come into any discussion re sick pay, benefits, or holiday pay.
Every black cab driver is self-employed, he doesn't "work" for anyone other than himself, whether he owns his own taxi, or rents one from a fleet owner.
When I successfully completed the Knowledge, about a million years ago, I knew that if I wanted to go on holiday, I could go, anytime I liked, and for as long as I liked, but I also knew, and cheerfully accepted, that I'd get no holiday pay.
I knew THAT when I started the Knowledge, it was part of the reason for going out on a moped in hot weather, cold weather, rain, snow, heatwaves, getting the occasional puncture, looking for obscure lanes and mews, and embassies of countries I'd never heard of.
When, after 22 months back in the 70s, I got that green badge, I knew that I could go to work WHEN I wanted to go to work, and finish WHEN I wanted to finish, and earn a nice few quid for doing it.
If I fancied 3 weeks in New York, I'd just go, if I landed back at Heathrow with £4 and a $5 bill in my pocket, I'd do 8 or 9 twelve hour days, and get it all back.
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well thsts terrifying to know that there's no limits on how many hours a black cab cab drive.
 
Tefal said:
well thsts terrifying to know that there's no limits on how many hours a black cab cab drive.
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Okay, 12 hours sounds excessive, but if I went out at 16.00 hrs., I'd be home by 04.00 hrs. the next morning, but I would have stopped for dinner around 21.00 hrs., after the theatre exit rush has eased off, and again for coffee sometime after midnight.
Same if, for my own convenience, I'd left home at 06.00 hrs., and got back at 18.00 hrs., if I got a job to Heathrow during an early start day, I'd use the taxi drivers restaurant in the Feeder Park for a healthy lunch, and either read the paper, or walk around the perimeter road to maintain my 86cm waist, and 75-76 kilos weight.
I may have been a two bob taxi driver, but I was a vain two bob taxi driver!
 
I'm just genuinly surprised there isn't laws regarding driving times like lorries.

it does explain some of the absolutley insane things I've seen black cabs do though if the driver is half asleep
 
Tefal said:
I'm just genuinly surprised there isn't any law regarding driving times like lorries.
it does explain some of the absolutley insane things I've seen black cabs do though if the driver is half asleep
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I did explain in my post 194 that I wasn't driving 12 hours per shift, I was out of my house for 12 hours at a time, but if you take out breaks for lunch and/or dinner, plus any time on ranks, I was maybe working 7.5 to 8 hours per shift.

Nevakonaza said:
I dont understand why Uber should have lost it licence to operate in london,These black cabs need cheaper competition because they are a ripoff.
Black cabbies just didn't like it because they were been undercut.
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a) Because they didn't want to play by the rules, but were happy to bend them, you do understand that right?
b) They're certainly a rip off to someone who may think like you, and seems to expect a Rolls-Royce for the price of a VW Passat.
and ) c Correct, they didn't like a crooked mob being given carte blanche to undercut them by ignoring the rules.
Next.
 
How is it all these modern "web 2.0" companies like Uber and Deliverroo are built on shafting the "employee". I don't see anything innovative about that, more like going back to the dark ages.
 
Jean-F said:
I did explain in my post 194 that I wasn't driving 12 hours per shift, I was out of my house for 12 hours at a time, but if you take out breaks for lunch and/or dinner, plus any time on ranks, I was maybe working 7.5 to 8 hours per shift.



a) Because they didn't want to play by the rules, but were happy to bend them, you do understand that right?
b) They're certainly a rip off to someone who may think like you, and seems to expect a Rolls-Royce for the price of a VW Passat.
and ) c Correct, they didn't like a crooked mob being given carte blanche to undercut them by ignoring the rules.
Next.
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no one is looking for a rolls Royce they are looking to be driven a short distance for a reasonable price.

uber provides thst.

black cabs dont
 
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