Uber to lose licence to operate in London

Interesting response from some women who clearly are able to understand that a few bad drivers doesn't make Uber unsafe. In fact probably still safer than many other affordable alternatives (can't even get black cabs in most places, or they won't do your journey, in London even if you didn't care about the cost).

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41365995
 
Most people like uber because it's cheap.
1980s cheap.
As said before uber fares are subsidised to the tune of 60% per ride. That's why they are cheap.
For the investors to make any money uber fares will have to more than double. ie surge all the time. Which they would if they could eradicate the opposition.
Who's going to like them then?
 
Most people like uber because it's cheap.
1980s cheap.
As said before uber fares are subsidised to the tune of 60% per ride. That's why they are cheap.
For the investors to make any money uber fares will have to more than double. ie surge all the time. Which they would if they could eradicate the opposition.
Who's going to like them then?
utter rubbish on both accounts.
they are no where near 1980s cheap.
expanding business lose money, its the nature it does not mean when they're established they will still be spending anywhere near that revenue.
lies and misunderstanding of corporations right there.
 
Most people like uber because it's cheap.
1980s cheap.
As said before uber fares are subsidised to the tune of 60% per ride. That's why they are cheap.
For the investors to make any money uber fares will have to more than double. ie surge all the time. Which they would if they could eradicate the opposition.
Who's going to like them then?

Uber roughly breaks even in the UK. Doesn't actually lose any money. The drivers also wouldn't be doing it if they weren't getting an income (rather than working at a loss).

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...up-115m-of-fares-in-the-uk-last-year---doubl/

60% subsidy? Haha. Maybe others are making a (100%/40% = 2.5) 150% profit margin.

The fare comparison in the article above is awesome. Almost gives credence to a crazy profit margin.
 
utter rubbish on both accounts.
they are no where near 1980s cheap.
expanding business lose money, its the nature it does not mean when they're established they will still be spending anywhere near that revenue.
lies and misunderstanding of corporations right there.

Uber pay their Prius drivers £1 per mile.
Which is the same as Addison Lee did in 1989.
How do I know this?
I worked for Addison Lee for 3 years in the 1980s.
 
Uber pay their Prius drivers £1 per mile.
Which is the same as Addison Lee did in 1989.
How do I know this?
I worked for Addison Lee for 3 years in the 1980s.

Uber pays drivers 80% of the fare paid by the customer.

Addison Lee is no where near 2.5x the price of Uber. In fact there are many scenarios where Addison Lee can be cheaper for a customer.
 
Uber pay their Prius drivers £1 per mile.
Which is the same as Addison Lee did in 1989.
How do I know this?
I worked for Addison Lee for 3 years in the 1980s.
and complete rubbish. as you don't seem to know what uber pay, for a start what tehy pay their driver isn't total cost to start with.
as above uk they are making a profit.
also uber where I am cost the same as what black cabs did just 8 years ago.
so no it is in no way true that they pay the same as the 1980s or they loses money.
 
Apologists for not allowing false statements about profit and subsidies to stand?

Haha ok.

A lot of links to do with God View there. Why make it sound like the same issue is lots of different ones?

Also not sure what harrassment accusations at the head office have to do with the provision of minicab services by British drivers.

They also get criticised for the self employment model, but that is how most of the PHV market works in the UK and is what most employees actually want.
 
The TFL licence could well be irrelevant.
Shortly, next week I think, is the result of Uber's workers rights appeal.
If they lose, they could just pull out of the UK.
Paying sick pay, holiday pay, etc is not part of their modus operandi, let alone Goldman Sachs et al.
 
and complete rubbish. as you don't seem to know what uber pay, for a start what tehy pay their driver isn't total cost to start with.
as above uk they are making a profit.
also uber where I am cost the same as what black cabs did just 8 years ago.
so no it is in no way true that they pay the same as the 1980s or they loses money.

I do know, I just told you.:D
They are losing money. Subsiding fares to the tune of billions per year.
 
I do know, I just told you.:D
They are losing money. Subsiding fares to the tune of billions per year.

Not in the UK they are not. Don't care how much money they are pumping into China, it isn't relevant.

See link you have obviously ignored because it proves you wrong.
 
What about Addison Lee or Black Cabs?

https://www.employeebenefits.co.uk/issues/july-online-2017/addison-lee-face-legal-action-holiday-pay-minimum-wage/
What about Addison Lee or Black Cabs?

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When will TfL be taken to court over the same things?


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When will TfL be taken to court over the same things?

Addison Lee are facing a separate challenge, but if uber lose it will cover their case too I would think.
Black cabs do not get the bulk of their trade through one company, ie street hailing, so cannot claim workers rights from anyone.
 
Addison Lee are facing a separate challenge, but if uber lose it will cover their case too I would think.
Black cabs do not get the bulk of their trade through one company, ie street hailing, so cannot claim workers rights from anyone.

Convenient for the black cab lobby isn't it? The same lobby that resisted being forced to accept electronic payments until late 2016.

TfL actually licences, administers and regulates black cabs and their fares in much the same way private companies do.

Street hailing contracts are still governed by TfL.
 
no, you told me a bunch of lies and ignored everything like links that show you are wrong.
no, you told me a bunch of lies and ignored everything like links that show you are wrong.

Here's some more lies.


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As for the UK/London £1m+ profit, I'm sure Goldman Sachs are getting a hard on over that.
 
Here's some more lies.

https://www.ft.com/content/52b54056-214d-11e7-b7d3-163f5a7f229c



As for the UK/London £1m+ profit, I'm sure Goldman Sachs are getting a hard on over that.
were talking about the uk so yes misrepresentation of data by you yet again.

as well as the claim of £1 a mile in 1989 and comparing it to what uber charge, one is what is paid to driver the other is a total for a start
secondly with a ntional average wage of 16k a year you were not getting a £1 a mile you would have been a millionaire.
on top of that it is thought uber take 20% so using the app I can see that the drivers get about £1.80 a mile
 
And yet still tiny.

Monopoly? There is only one monopoly and it is amongst hail and ride options.

A business like uber loses money because it spends a lot of money growing, just like any business in its infancy. You are basically complaining that uber is gaining market share. Go ahead and tell that to other businesses.

This ban will hurt consumers, not help them. They will now waste time waiting for minicabs which are no guarantee of "safety" if people are willing to call uber unsafe. They will also end up paying more as reduced competition results in higher prices. Uber is also the most transparent service out there.

Helps no one but black cabs and older minicab businesses (many of whom have self employed drivers) who will have less competition.

Once self driving cars become a reality, this same lobby will say they are unsafe and should be banned by pointing to some accidents. Mark my words.


Just in case no one called you on it, this is just utterly incorrect on every level.

There are two scenarios, company A charges the customer 110% of the cost of the providing the service, or a 10% profit, they are doing well so decide to expand and decide to borrow the same as the profit they expect from the next 3 years to expand.

Company B charges 41% of the cost of providing the service, they are making a massive loss, it has nothing to do with expansion, it has nothing to do with anything except undercutting everyone else by such a margin that everyone eventually moves to your service. Once you are in this position you're a monopoly and at this point when everyone else has packed up and left, when every driver works for you, you up the prices to 200% of the cost to provide the service.

Company A makes a genuine profit but speculates to improve profit over time but their base business model is profitable for the service they provide. Company B can only survive with massive outside resources from people who know your intent to massively MASSIVELY increase prices years down the line to make back their money in profit later.

Company B goes with their business plan to a bank to get a loan and they'll get laughed out of the room, Company A can secure a loan easily. Uber is company B, the only way they can turn a profit and the only way their investors get their money back is to corner the market, become a monopoly over time then charge customers significantly more than they are being charged now by normal cabs.

If one cab is making 10% profit off you, that's it, there is no debt to catch up to, it just works. If you're spending 3 times what you bring in, in the billions, for multiple years you can't make that money back by becoming a monopoly and charging 110% because you'll never catch up with the debt, no one would ever get their money back. You only get your money back if you're charging 200% or more. So right now you have the choice of paying £10 for a quick trip via normal companies, with costs rising with inflation, or pay £4.10 for an Uber.... for 3 years, but after 3 years Uber will put prices up to £20-25. You have £5.90 for a few years, but then you lose £10+ for the next 20.

Amazon mostly just charged less because with no actual stores their overheads were dramatically lower. By having several big warehouses instead of hundreds of stores, by offering more products in one location, larger stock, quicker to receive anything not in stock and the convenience of shopping from home at any time they simply beat out other stores, when those stores went out of business Amazon didn't whack the costs up to 250% to make up the losses... because they weren't making losses. A store could get 10% profit on a book by charging £5, but Amazon could make a 10% profit on a book selling it to you at £3, because the costs of the business were very different, not because Amazon purposefully made a loss to put others out of business. It was a completely superior and cheaper business model that beat traditional stores.

Uber is bad for everyone long term, it just looks better in the shorter term.
 
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