UEFA Champions & Europa League Football Thread Finals ** spoilers ** [22/29 May 1st June 2024]

BaZ87 said:
That's not a great explanation.
  • There are 4 groups of 9 (not 8) - you play 2 sides from pot 1, 2 sides from pot 2, 2 sides from pot 3 and 2 from pot 4 so it doesn't really matter where you're seeded, you're still going to get the same difficulty of matches regardless.
  • The next point of difference is you don't play each side home and away. You will play one pot 1 side at home and 1 pot 1 side away and the same for the pot 2, 3 & 4 sides.
  • The points totals from all the groups of 9 teams are then collated into a big 36 team League table. So how many points you get compared to the other sides in your group is irrelevant - in theory you could top your group but still not automatically qualify for the next round. All that matters is where your points total places you in the 36 team league table.
  • Teams finishing 1st to 8th automatically qualify for the next round. 9th to 24th have to play a play-off and 25th to 36th are knocked out.
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I know its not 8, 36/8 = 4.5. They've added 4 spots. I was trying to tie it to what were used to. You do have more bigger matches right from the start, it was literally part of the remit. More matches and more big games earlier on. Rather than say City playing RB, Crvena, Young Boys in the group they'll have a big match right from the start. And they could get a team from England, say Arsenal, which in the previous format didn't allow.
 
Trusty said:
I know its not 8, 36/8 = 4.5. They've added 4 spots. I was trying to tie it to what were used to. You do have more bigger matches right from the start, it was literally part of the remit. More matches and more big games earlier on. Rather than say City playing RB, Crvena, Young Boys in the group they'll have a big match right from the start. And they could get a team from England, say Arsenal, which in the previous format didn't allow.
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Yes, I'm aware that you will have bigger matches (I said you'd play 2 sides from every pot). What I was clarifying is the league format as anybody reading your post could be mistaken in thinking that the only material change is that it's gone from groups of 4 sides to groups of 8 (which is actually 9) - it is actually more complicated than that which is what I tried to breakdown in my post.
 
BaZ87 said:
Yes, I'm aware that you will have bigger matches (I said you'd play 2 sides from every pot). What I was clarifying is the league format as anybody reading your post could be mistaken in thinking that the only material change is that it's gone from groups of 4 sides to groups of 8 (which is actually 9) - it is actually more complicated than that which is what I tried to breakdown in my post.
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Ah fair enough. I automatically assumed Cliffy understood the league table/points aspect of it.
 
The_One said:
its essentially just the start of the european super league
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It's really not though, you have to qualify for it via league positions. Nothing changes in terms of getting into the champions league, it's dependent on coefficient, England could have up to 7 sides in it for example. But everyone competing in the same table points wise makes it look like like a European super league

CliffyG said:
I understand it, just seems a bit convoluted.
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The groups are bit weird to get used to. But for people that have played the recent football manger, this format gets implemented in it. It does work i think, it's kinda interesting, much greater amount of jeopardy in the early stages. Groups of 4 became a foregone conclusion unless you were in the group of death. I think people will like it when they get used to it, there's a lot going on straight off the bat
 
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