UEFA Champions & Europa League Football Thread ** spoilers ** [6th - 8th April 2021]

Pigeon_Killer said:
I'm not either but we've seen this type of performance way too often this season and not just with Phillips and Kabak playing and we've had the same discussion just as often :p

I want Klopp to try something different, I know he won't and he'd rather lose his way than win playing another but it still does my head in.
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I've said I wanted a change too but it's this idea that you can click your fingers and any change of system will actually make us better that winds me up slightly. I know there's no consequences for the comments we make but when managers make their decisions there's reasons for them and consequences as a result of them.

9/11th's of our side is there to play how Klopp wants to play and if those 9 players play to their level then for the most part they'll hide the fact that the other 2 are out of their depth, like they did vs Arsenal. The problems come vs the best sides, when you're going to need all 11 and or when the other 9 aren't at their best because then you end up riding your luck with those other 2. There's no obvious alternative that will make us better though. Sit deep in a 4-4-2, hoping the opposition don't eventually score and you pinch a goal on the break? That just isn't how Klopp works - he's always been a coach that will look for the best system to hurt the opposition rather than the best system to stop the opposition hurting us.
 
Lmao the stick Kabak gets when VVD was completely unknown at his age is unreal. He's 20 years old ...


That disallowed Dortmund goal...just wow. That's disgraceful.
 
omnomnom said:
That disallowed Dortmund goal...just wow. That's disgraceful.
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In his defence, Ederson made out like he had been shot so what could the ref possibly do other than assume that had indeed been grievously injured and it was a foul in his favour.

I think thats the bit of VAR that does my head in the most. They will spend 10 minutes deciding if a player is 2mm offside but the ref doesn't use it to do a quick sanity check on an incident that would have resulted in a goal for Dortmund. Its like the linesman leaving their flag down unless its very obvious someone is offside. Its a really simple rule to allow VAR to be used effectively and not make huge clangers that can change the course of the game.

Theres no excuse.
 
omnomnom said:
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That disallowed Dortmund goal...just wow. That's disgraceful.
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Why the hell VAR didn't tell the ref that he's blind is beyond comprehension.

Liverpool...a lack of desire, positional awareness, passing ability and pressing for the vast majority of it. It's gobsmacking how bad we've been in some games this season when the aforementioned attributes have been our bread and butter traits for so many years. It's as if we need an inspirational speaker or an army general to have a chat with the team before each game - a job you'd think Klopp should be giving a master class in, so we don't spend the first 60+ minutes playing complete dross like we did. When we did finally decide to put some effort in RM found another gear too. We've come back from worse but at our best we're playing at 75% of how we should be at the moment. Twitchy bum time on the second leg for sure.
 
fez said:
Because the ref had blown his whistle before the ball was in the back of the net. Nowt they can do at that point.
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That rule needs amending or the refs need retraining to let play continue after "X" amount of seconds or something along those lines as it is farcical.
 
fez said:
Because the ref had blown his whistle before the ball was in the back of the net. Nowt they can do at that point.
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Surely there's been the occasional CL or Euro game that's been stopped by a ref after after play has continued in the past two years!?
VAR should have been in his ear within a few seconds and asked him to consider reviewing the footage.

The VAR protocols section on UEFA's site seems to back this up :-

2. Reviewable match-changing decisions/incidents.

The referee may receive assistance from the VAR only in relation to four categories of match-changing decisions/incidents. In all these situations, the VAR is only used after the referee has made a (first/original) decision (including allowing play to continue), or if a serious incident is missed/not seen by the match officials.
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The first category being goal or no goal btw. I also can't find any mention of any timescale requirements for VAR to get the information to a ref...although you'd hope that ASAP would be assumed.
 
The point is that the goal didn't happen - the ref blew his whistle so the game is dead so anything that happened after the whistle is meaningless. VAR cannot rule on the 'goal' because there was no goal.
 
Mr Blonde said:
Surely there's been the occasional CL or Euro game that's been stopped by a ref after after play has continued in the past two years!?
VAR should have been in his ear within a few seconds and asked him to consider reviewing the footage.

The VAR protocols section on UEFA's site seems to back this up :-



The first category being goal or no goal btw. I also can't find any mention of any timescale requirements for VAR to get the information to a ref...although you'd hope that ASAP would be assumed.
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The issue is that play did not continue in this occasion, the ref blew before the goal was scored. This is why linesmen have been told to wait with their flags, so if a goal is scored VAR is able to go back and check it.
 
Mr Blonde said:
@fez et al...DOH! He blew his whistle half a second before the ball crossed the line. I missed that watching the highlights - I'm a dummy :)
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Yeah, utterly awful decision. Would literally have taken 2 looks at it on VAR to say "thats a goal and if anything Bellingham was the one fouled". Same thing with Citys penalty that was correctly ruled out. Can still got a yellow and the City player gets away with cheating to try and win a penalty despite VAR overturning it.

The biggest issue with VAR is still **** referees.
 
fez said:
Yeah, utterly awful decision. Would literally have taken 2 looks at it on VAR to say "thats a goal and if anything Bellingham was the one fouled". Same thing with Citys penalty that was correctly ruled out. Can still got a yellow and the City player gets away with cheating to try and win a penalty despite VAR overturning it.

The biggest issue with VAR is still **** referees.
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If City manage to go through by 1 goal it will almost be as much of a farce as the 09 champions League semi final between Chelsea and Barcelona. I honestly hope Dortmund get revenge at home.
 
Commentator talking ****. When a player hits the ball that hard its complete luck if it hits you in the right place as a keeper.
 
Andybtsn said:
If he he just stood there he’d have saved it.
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Yeah and if Mbappe would have hit it anywhere other than straight at him it would have gone in. At that range you close the angle and make yourself big. You aren't going to react to a shot with any power so you have to rely on them hitting it at you. A lot of shots would be saved if the keeper just guessed the right direction etc.
 
fez said:
Yeah and if Mbappe would have hit it anywhere other than straight at him it would have gone in. At that range you close the angle and make yourself big. You aren't going to react to a shot with any power so you have to rely on them hitting it at you. A lot of shots would be saved if the keeper just guessed the right direction etc.
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He tried catching it and messed it up. Keeper error
 
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