UEFA Champions League/Europa League 1/2/3 October *** Spoilers ***

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drunkenmaster said:
All last season, ALL the season before everyone was complaining about Sagna, not an Arsenal fan last year rated Gibbs, you included. Gibbs was responsible for half the goals we conceded leading up to last Jan which is why Wenger bought Monreal and EVERY arsenal fan on here, you included were screaming for a replacement for Gibbs.

You are the classic weird fan, a few good games and now Sagna and Gibbs don't make mistakes, when last season they were two of the worst fullbacks in the league according to Arsenal fans let alone any other fans. Sure, I'm the one with a weird view. Sagna has been awful THIS season except the last couple of games. Penalties conceded, the red he should have got against Sunderland, none of this happened right.

As for Bayern, again no we didn't press them, they out everythinged us in the second leg. They had 25 shots to our 5, in the game we won 2-0, it was fluke, nothing more nothing less. A team you dominate, and close and press well does not have FIVE TIMES THE SHOTS. likewise again, we fouled Milan off the pitch won, they had the better chances, more shots and forced more saves. It was FAR closer to that second leg against milan finishing with Milan scoring a couple more goals than Arsenal doing so, but make up whatever you want. This was in two games the opposition didn't even try hard, and they dominated us, and had more chances, and forced more saves and got zero luck, even with all the luck in the world Arsenal still couldn't win.

Stop pretending single leg games and two leg games are the same.

I didn't say we played **** against Napoli, and you are categorically wrong about us "dominating" Bayern in a game they managed five times more shots than us, but believe what you want. You'll say exactly the opposite and call for Sagna's head before the end of the season.

I'm 98% sure you along with essentially every other Arsenal fan on here wanted Sagna to leave at the end of last season.
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2nd half of last season we produced championsip form with only united winning more points then us in the last 10-15 league matches.

At that point our defence was solid, Sagna and co did not put a foot wrong, hardly ever. That is how we finished in the top 4 after being something like 9+ behind 4th spot around January time..

Do you have link to all these shots bayern had in second leg? how many where on target and shots that should have been goals?
 
Jono8 said:
Not signing Ozil and letting him got to Arsenal and then spending nearly 30 million on fellianiniininini was Moyes' / Man United's biggest managerial error so far these season.
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Where would he have played? Given that you pretty much signed a worse version of him last year and he's warming the bench.

Clearly that kind of player doesn't fit into the system you're trying to play at United, which is the real problem. Kagawa playing would improve your team dramatically, leaving less space between the midfield and RvP, and allowing you to keep the ball further up the pitch.
 
Speaking in a press conference after the game, the United manager added: "Wayne will be okay for Saturday. He clashed shins with Danny Welbeck [in training]. At a push we probably could have risked him but we decided not to."
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Thanks Danny.
 
jonneymendoza said:
2nd half of last season we produced championsip form with only united winning more points then us in the last 10-15 league matches.

At that point our defence was solid, Sagna and co did not put a foot wrong, hardly ever. That is how we finished in the top 4 after being something like 9+ behind 4th spot around January time..

Do you have link to all these shots bayern had in second leg? how many where on target and shots that should have been goals?
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That run of games was against bottom half of the table teams and covered up how awful we were against anyone in the top 4. Sagna was awful last season and has been a couple of times this season already although generally looks better. 1 outstanding performance doesn't mean he's changed for good though. I still think Jenkinson and Monreal should start. We are a few games in to the season, I think it's ridiculous to think we've become massively improved until we've played a few top teams in the prem by December time.
 
He said it was a good result (arguably correct) and said he thought we were going to stop them scoring, proving that he is just as naive as Fergie thinking we can defend a 1-0 lead for an hour. He also praised Giggs, naturally.
 
CliffyG said:
That run of games was against bottom half of the table teams and covered up how awful we were against anyone in the top 4. Sagna was awful last season and has been a couple of times this season already although generally looks better. 1 outstanding performance doesn't mean he's changed for good though. I still think Jenkinson and Monreal should start. We are a few games in to the season, I think it's ridiculous to think we've become massively improved until we've played a few top teams in the prem by December time.
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Yup, I find it hilarious at how fellow Arsenal fans are getting ahead of themselves thinking we're odds on to win everything :p Yes, we've had a good start to the season overall. Historically we always take a massive nose dive in November so we'll have to see where we are after christmas once we've played against the 'big' teams.

Sagna is looking better than last season but that's not much of an accomplishment. I can never make my mind up about Gibbs. Sometimes he'll have a solid game and others he's a sixes and sevens at the back with his positioning.

Once Mourinho realises he has to start Mata every game, I think they'll run away with the league. I can't see any of the other teams being consistent enough
 
Until Utd pay off their debt they are going to at best be part of the chasing pack. I am not so sure a draw was so flattering on them. Utd are hamstrung by the debt it is quite clear and Fergie managed to get the best out of now completely past it players and motivate the youngster to scrape results when other teams faltered.

If Man City were allowed to take Man Utd players for a direct swap for any position I suspect the only ones they'd look at are RVP, Rooney, De Gea and maybe Rafael. And I doubt Bayern would take one. Utd's midfield is non-exist as much as I think Kagawa is a very good player he will never get a look in with Rooney in the team.

TBH Utd have been poor in the Champions League for some time and have got results and progressed more from the energy of Park and Fletcher than any individual skill or solid teamwork. Hopefully, Fletcher will make it back properly this time as I think they really miss his energy in midfield and leadership but even saying that he wouldn't get in many top teams would he.
 
Arsenal Bayern final with Arsenal winning 3/4-1 They are just unstoppable, 10 wins on the bounce and all those players to come back!
 
Gooner Leroy said:
Yup, I find it hilarious at how fellow Arsenal fans are getting ahead of themselves thinking we're odds on to win everything :p Yes, we've had a good start to the season overall. Historically we always take a massive nose dive in November so we'll have to see where we are after christmas once we've played against the 'big' teams.

Sagna is looking better than last season but that's not much of an accomplishment. I can never make my mind up about Gibbs. Sometimes he'll have a solid game and others he's a sixes and sevens at the back with his positioning.

Once Mourinho realises he has to start Mata every game, I think they'll run away with the league. I can't see any of the other teams being consistent enough
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Dont really recall anyone who is an Arsenal fan here saying we are going to win everything, its far too early to call it for one and secondly we havent played the likes of City, Utd, Chelsea and Liverpool as well. So until we play them which we should come xmas time then we can start talking seriously about winning the PL title.

No doubt if we go on a bad run, those same people will be calling for Wengers head lol.

As for Chelsea?? ill be honest they havent impressed me that much even with Mata in the side. Im kinda hoping Jose still keeps him on the bench especially against us lol. But honestly i havent been at all impressed with Chelsea this season, same goes for City and Utd as well. I think we are now playing so well that we can beat all 3 teams depending on how fit our squad is and if we can carry on with the consistency that we have shown in the past 10 or so games.

One way or the other the PL is pretty open this year, even the lowly Spurs have a real chance of playing for the title this season as they have bought a brand new team with the Bale money:D
 
I think Arsenal are doing well and let them enjoy their time at the top while they are there. People say they only played and beat teams at the bottom half of the table but they did beat Spurs (5th last season) and they did win away at Swansea (7th was it? Top half anyway). You can't say these are easy matches, even on paper. They are on the top of the league on merit, by putting points in the bag so lets be fair.

So credit where credit due, string together 10 wins on the trot, including European games is not easy, so saying its just teams from bottom half of the table comes across as jealous and envy even if that is not your intention. Considering people keep having go at their iffy defending and lack of a real goal scorer, they are not doing too bad and I bet every other teams in the land woud rather be in their position right now, top of the league, and have 6 points in the Champions' League and high moral, even though they have only played "teams from bottom half of the table".
 
Anyone else notice Moyes's propensity to get previously fairly prolific strikers to stop scoring? ;). I've not seen last nights game but judging at the reaction I assume RvP was starved of the ball again?
 
Rapier said:
Anyone else notice Moyes's propensity to get previously fairly prolific strikers to stop scoring? ;). I've not seen last nights game but judging at the reaction I assume RvP was starved of the ball again?
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He was, yes. It's rather concerning but hopefully won't be a regular occurrence. To stand any chance we have to keep getting him the ball, he always does good things with it.

We just had everyone sat back and no drive going forward, no support for the striker. This isn't the end of the world in a difficult European away game but we better not see this sort of thing in the PL. I don't think we will, we don't have the players to sit back and defend; it simply will not work.
 
Robbo said:
He was, yes. It's rather concerning but hopefully won't be a regular occurrence. To stand any chance we have to keep getting him the ball, he always does good things with it.

We just had everyone sat back and no drive going forward, no support for the striker. This isn't the end of the world in a difficult European away game but we better not see this sort of thing in the PL. I don't think we will, we don't have the players to sit back and defend; it simply will not work.
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We have seen that in the epl. What's our goal difference again?
 
Raymond Lin said:
I think Arsenal are doing well and let them enjoy their time at the top while they are there. People say they only played and beat teams at the bottom half of the table but they did beat Spurs (5th last season) and they did win away at Swansea (7th was it? Top half anyway). You can't say these are easy matches, even on paper. They are on the top of the league on merit, by putting points in the bag so lets be fair.
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Yes we beat a couple top half teams but, and while people will accuse me of finding excuses. EVERYONE said Swansea gave up after the cup, they won a single game in the last 10 matches(we played them a couple games into that run), in the second half of the season they won against Stoke, QPR, Newcastle, Wigan and Fulham, that's basically their 2013 half of the season, abysmal. West brom again won 10 games in the first half of the season 4 in the second half. They are a second team that once safe absolutely gave up . Those were two of the toughest teams we played and beat. Drew with a Utd that also gave up.

We beat Spurs early in the season but lost to City, Chelsea and Spurs in that final run of "great form", drew with Southampton, Everton and Utd. The ONLY two teams we beat in the top half of the table in the final 21-22 games was West brom and Swansea.

Just before that 22 games beating 2 teams in the top half we got owned by Swansea and beat a not very good West brom by way of two penalties, one for a dive, one soft as hell.

We beat in 18 games against the top half 7 teams. Spurs, West brom twice, West Ham twice, Swansea and Liverpool...... that is pretty damn poor. We had a top heavy first half of the season and a bottom heavy run in, so of course we looked better and very much helped by West Brom and Swansea CLEAR AS DAY as mentioned by everyone for months no matter the opposition absolutely given up.

We're doing well, we are playing better than last season, Ramsey is playing mostly great, Gibbs has been much improved on last year, but hasn't been tested much yet. Sagna has been ruddy awful this season already in multiple games, with the ref missing a clear as day red card and loads of other mistakes.

Ozil is mostly doing simple stuff, but simple stuff right WAY more often than not which is something we lacked, even with Cazorla. Giroud is, he's getting goals but his interplay hasn't been as good I feel.

But this isn't where Arsenal have a problem, Arsenal have a problem 2-3 months into the season when we get a few key injuries, when we play a couple tough teams, lose, then lose stupid games following up to weaker teams. Then come feb is when our season always completely falls away, every year for 7-8 years now.

We're 6 points up on where we were last season after 6 games, we'd also played Chelsea and City by the same point last season.

as with the end of last season, a run against worse teams helps you pick up some good form, but it also means you'll have a more difficult run at some stage in the season. We've got two particularly tough spells playing most of the top 5 teams in a short space of time, November till xmas has Pool, City, Chelsea, Everton, Utd. Then feb/march which is usually our "bad" time with crapload of games in 3 or 4 competitions has Spurs, Pool, Utd, City, Chelsea, Everton again.

We've got top 5-6 mostly in two concentrated spells over 6-7 weeks with some pretty tasty looking runs between them. Jan looks like we could pick up loads of points but Feb/March looks evil.
 
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