UEFA Champions League/Europa League 15/16/17 March *** Spoilers ***

BaZ87 said:
We've discussed these sort of thing before and as I know you're aware, a minority of idiots start these things and mob mentality takes over.

The people that run the SOS would never have planned or expected that to happen. They hired a band to perform at a function and the band decided to start singing those songs and a group of drunk men joined in. It's no different from what's happened at the last few Liverpool - Utd games with the Hillsborough songs. 99% of the people singing those songs aren't scumbags, they just get caught up in the moment with the whole mob mentality.

I always try to stay impartial on these matters and make a point of saying it's not Utd fans, Liverpool fans or whoever else but individual idiots. However the Hillsborough songs have escalated to the point where they're being sung on mass at every single Liverpool - Utd game in the last 7 or 8 years, even at youth and reserve games. I'm certain there would have been Liverpool fans that made reference to Munich last night and at other Liverpool - Utd games but you do not hear them being sung to the extent that Hillsborough songs have been.

Both clubs need to work together, put pride aside and make a big thing of this - be loud and clear that it's completely unacceptable and if needs be, start pulling people out and banning them. What will happen though is a statement will be released condemning those that have chanted these things and it'll go completely under the radar.
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BaZ agree 100% with what you are saying. It makes me cringe to hear the fans of my own club sing about this kind of tragedy. My understanding, not that it excuses it, is that the majority of bad taste songs it is aimed in the main towards Heysel than Hillsborough. I understand their point of view but certainly do not agree or condone it. But me personally the massive frustration is the double standards. I will leave it there on that subject.

If it wasn't Liverpool it could have been United. If Utd beat Forest and a flip of the coin, it's United going into the Leppings Lane, not Liverpool. Personally I was at the United Forest game in the previous round.

Makes me feel sick but the whole murderers song was is and is never meant to be aimed at Hillsborough.

A hard line needs to be took. Not token gestures. Not public apologies. Not reprimanding players for public indiscretions. Both sets of fans need to stop trying to get one up even on public forums like these.
 
They aren't fans, that's the thing, they are confused individuals who are lost in the world. Football is meant to do the exact opposite to how they act. It makes me well angry. Absolute phonies..
 
It's really not as simple as that. I've been to many a Merseyside derby (the so called friendly derby) and often sat right next to the away supporters. Before the match you've got friends and relatives shouting across between the home and away ends, arranging where to meet after the game for a drink and so on. The second that whistle is blown these same friends and family are hurling insults at each other. Half time comes and again, everyone is friends again.

The vast majority of these people are perfectly normal, every day people that would never say such things but put them in a large group and a handful of morons can't start that mob/pack mentality.
 
Yea, some general taunting is fine. I don't really buy the pack mentality though, people should know that singing what they did sing is wrong. I realise that mob mentality is a factor of why it happens but people need to stand up and be counted rather than join in. Whatever happens, i hope uefa find out who started it. i presume they'll have full access to all of the cameras from different countries that were there, find the culprits and ban them from european games forever. That'll teach em!
 
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Is, was and is only ever going to be about heysel

Banner with murderers dated 15.4.89
The sun was right, you're murderers

Clearly about heysel. (Also is that supposed to make it not so bad lol)
 
Also baz not that you're really defending that SOS thing but those guys should be booing it if that is how it went down, not joining in because they're drunk, weak excuse
 
Trusty said:
Yea, some general taunting is fine. I don't really buy the pack mentality though, people should know that singing what they did sing is wrong. I realise that mob mentality is a factor of why it happens but people need to stand up and be counted rather than join in. Whatever happens, i hope uefa find out who started it. i presume they'll have full access to all of the cameras from different countries that were there, find the culprits and ban them from european games forever. That'll teach em!
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It won't teach em.

Not glorifying football violence or hooliganism, but Football is a measure of society at times. Ban them and you will just take the problem from inside the stadium to outside. Both sets of supporters were giving it to each other outside Anfield and Old Trafford.
 
Loki said:
It won't teach em.

Not glorifying football violence or hooliganism, but Football is a measure of society at times. Ban them and you will just take the problem from inside the stadium to outside. Both sets of supporters were giving it to each other outside Anfield and Old Trafford.
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there is no place for it anymore.
 
Purdy said:
Also baz not that you're really defending that SOS thing but those guys should be booing it if that is how it went down, not joining in because they're drunk, weak excuse
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As I said, put people in a group and fuel them with a bit of alcohol and normally sensible people end up being encouraged to do stupid things.

Football grounds are no different to bars and clubs every weekend.
 
BaZ87 said:
Probably doesn't meet UEFA's criteria. Booing the UEFA anthem and swearing are far more serious crimes.
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As I suspected, the reason why Liverpool were charged with their fans making illicit chants is because they sang "Manchester is full of ****".

So chants about Hillsborough or Munich are fine, just don't swear.
 
BaZ87 said:
As I suspected, the reason why Liverpool were charged with their fans making illicit chants is because they say "Manchester is full of ****".

So chants about Hillsborough or Munich are fine, just don't swear.
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The irony is strong, in that on this forum you can talk about Hillsborough or Munich but you can't swear.. you're literally a mod on a forum that implements the same reasoning as Uefa does.
 
drunkenmaster said:
The irony is strong, in that on this forum you can talk about Hillsborough or Munich but you can't swear.. you're literally a mod on a forum that implements the same reasoning as Uefa does.
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You can talk about Munich or Hillsborough on here and in a football stadium. If anybody makes an offensive remark about either (or similar tragedies) they'll be punished far more severly than we deal with swearing. So no, we don't implement the same reasoning as UEFA, don't act stupid.

Pigeon_Killer said:
There's already talk on RAWK about banners saying 'UEFA are full of ****'. If that happens, expect a lengthy European ban :rolleyes:
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City got punished for their fans booing the UEFA anthem.
 
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