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Well yes...but you're just picking your own time scale there. And isn't Chelsea's wage bill still higher?

Regardless Chelsea have spent more and have higher wages than United. So why would we finish above them if it's completely predictable based on wages and transfer fees?
 
I chose the most recent timescale because that has most relevance to the current teams.

I'd be surprised if Chelsea's wage bill was actually still higher, the data they release seems to always lag behind by a couple of years.

Tevez, Toure and Aguero are all on circa £200k/week
Adebayor is is £150k/week
Dzeko £120k/week
Bellamy £90k/week
Hart £100k/week
Barry £130k/week
Milner £80k/week
Balotelli £100k/week
etc

Now to be fair Chelsea have some phat contracts too like Cech, Cole, Terry, Lampard, Drogba, Torres etc but I think MC will pip them when data for this season is released (some time in 2013 I guess) as they tend to pay their backup players a lot too i.e. even if you ignore the fact Aguero and Tevez are on over £400k/week between them you have at least the same again for Balotelli, Adebayor, Bellamy and Dzeko. Whereas at Chelsea you are talking maybe £250k/week for Drogba and Torres then Anelka, Sturridge and Kalou I'm not sure but would estimate under £200k.
 
What, I sincerely doubt anyone except possibly Torres is on over 200k a week at Chelsea, Anelka won't be, Sturridge and Kalou won't be even remotely close to 200k, I doubt either are making more than 100K a week.

City at the moment will definately have higher wage bill, not least because the last data for wages iirc had Chelsea in a title winning year, which probably factored in fairly big bonuses.

This is all neither here nor there, City could spend 50million more a year than Chelsea with ridiculous wages, and then get Aguero, Kompany and Hart all out for the season with ACL injurys, then what will that do? What about Chelsea last year, they spend way more than Utd, yet a single injury to Lampard turned their amazing start into their worst spell in the past 6-7 years, and after he came back it didn't take long for their form to return. They'd likely have won the title had Lampard not got his injury.

Spending, to a point, gets you the best players, you've still got, mistakes, injuries and bad luck to take into account, predictable, nothing. Arsenal ran Utd hard while never once surpassing their wage spending and often not coming that close, and won titles from them. Wages and spending gets you in the fight, it doesn't win you titles, otherwise Chelsea would have won the title every year since 2004, Arsenal would never have won the title, and City and Chelsea would have made up the top two teams for the past 3 seasons.

Likewise picking and choosing with transfer spending is stupid. Like Chelsea, City's transfer spending will slow dramatically now, with 1-2 players a year but also 1-2 players leaving. What striker would they buy next year, another 30mil + striker, or maybe a couple future stars, 14-17yr old kids for next to nothing.

Utd had a epic start to the season and a few injuries later, have dropped a little behind but more importantly looked far less good.

Spending is one part of the picture, but its misleading, City COULD have put together the same team by getting every single player they have anywhere from 5-10 years ago as youth players for a few million total, they'd still have the same team now, and probably lower wages.

Is Balotelli better than RVP, no, but probably makes 50% more, wages aren't an indicator, neither are transfer fee's, again compare those two players.

If you had two players like, Torres and Aguero, Torres was considered the better player at the time, and went for 50mil, but when one of the two biggest teams who both wanted a top striker and could afford a top striker, wasn't in the running for signing Aguero, they couldn't get 50mil for him.

Simple fact is City, Utd, Chelsea all have first 11's capable of winning the title, wages/transfer fee's just got the squad in position, the squad, regardless of if they get a bump to 1mil a week each, or the club can't pay them next week, will be the same either way and have to win the title themselves.
 
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Young has been largely excellent since his arrival - certainly better that the more negative people predicted.

Giggs had been inconsistant in much of his time as a winger - certainly in terms of crossing.

Its funny suddenly mentioning a drop in in form of a player like Valencia whom many were loathe to give any praise to in the first place!

Phil Jones has already shown more ability that the players who left.


If he have to offset Young against Giggs and/or Valencia then Aguero hasnt strengthened City at all as he is playing instead of their best player last season.
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Well young looked good for 3 games, when we were winning big but since then, not so good. He's certainly not out performing the likes of nasri. Or mata the other big signing who he should be compared with.

Valencia i never liked but people insist he showed good form maybe 2 years ago. to me he looks pretty awful.

Phil Jones does look okay but he doesn't improve on Rio or vidic just yet for me but he id better than Evans and brown.so yea our strengthening was more of a consolidation. are utd stronger this season than last? Barely. Chelsea - yes. city yes too.

aguero is proving more than capable and adding nasri is a good addition.
 
drunkenmaster said:
What, I sincerely doubt anyone except possibly Torres is on over 200k a week at Chelsea, Anelka won't be, Sturridge and Kalou won't be even remotely close to 200k, I doubt either are making more than 100K a week.
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I think you misunderstood; I was talking cumulative wages between all of them, not individually :)
i.e. Drogba+Torres and Kalou+Sturridge+Anelka
 
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