UEFA Champions League/Europa League 21/22/23 February *** Spoilers ***

Torres who wasn't his signing. Lukaku who wasn't his signing. Etc. This year's a write-off, imo, so I'd keep him, then have a clear-out/rebuild in the summer (with AVB still there, that is!).

I said nothing about him signing Torres, I was speaking about how he tries to play Torres. Lukaku was his signing, actually.

And as for keeping him, as long as he can actually be trusted to remain, spends properly and wisely in the summer and shows improvements on the pitch, then we'll see.

Otherwise he's crap and needs to go.
 
No he wasn't.

This.

Napoli really could have scored at least 5 tonight, they missed 2 absolute sitters that said away from home they could be a different prospect so it's not all over for Chelsea just yet but you've got to question how far they'd get in the competition even if they make it past this stage. Might be best off going out now and then fully concentrating on getting 4th spot.

Funny how the Arsenal & Chelsea fans were lapping it up us going out at the group stage, they're hardly representing are they :p
 
Funny how the Arsenal & Chelsea fans were lapping it up us going out at the group stage, they're hardly representing are they :p

They were never really going to get far, and Napoli and Milan are a couple of the weaker teams in the competition.
 
Odd, he was manager at the time, so I thought he would have had some say in it.

Irrespective of that, I don't really know how anyone other than the people at the club can know who decided to sign the player (aside from Torres, he was obvious :p).
 
Irrespective of that, I don't really know how anyone other than the people at the club can know who decided to sign the player (aside from Torres, he was obvious :p).

True, but he did endorse the signing.

I didn't even saying signing Lukaku was bad, just that him being unused and unloaned means he's going to be sitting in the reserves for a while doing very little.

I know you didn't, but you can't blame someone for failing to turn a terrible signing into a decent player. And Lukaku wasn't his signing - the youth signings are done without input from the manager... as AVB said was the case with de Bruyne.

You're right on that. I'm not saying it's his fault completely that Torres isn't performing, but his actions speak for themselves.

As for the second part, that's fair enough if true. Although he said nothing about Lukaku, as he did with de Bruyne, in fact he endorsed it himself.
 
They were never really going to get far, and Napoli and Milan are a couple of the weaker teams in the competition.

Still doesn't take away the fact that you were spanked out of it by weaker teams and never made it this far.
 
Still doesn't take away the fact that you were spanked out of it by weaker teams and never made it this far.

Indeed not, which is a shame because had we not faltered in the group stages we would be able to represent English football better than anyone else at this stage.

I think Man City could have done really well too.

AVB does seem a very nice guy though in his interviews. I do wish him the best in future.
 
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Still doesn't take away the fact that you were spanked out of it by weaker teams and never made it this far.

It's not totally against all the realms of possibility that at least 1 of the sides that qualified from our group could end up going further in the competition than both Arsenal and Chelsea. You can say we got spanked by weaker sides (which actually isn't the case whatsoever as we only lost 1 group game) but had Arsenal fans known that they were to qualify from their group only to get truly spanked by Milan would they have been that bothered about not qualifying from the group stage?

Likewise Chelsea you sealed qualification in the last game IIRC and all you've done by doing so is get pretty tanked away to Napoli. Chelsea might still make it through to the Quarters but you wont get any further unless the draw is extremely kind.
 
Indeed not, which is a shame because had we not faltered in the group stages we would be able to represent English football better than anyone else at this stage.

I think Man City could have done really well too.

Ah the famous what could have been card. All conjecture and a rather pointless debate. You weren't good enough to represent English football in the top league and nothing much has changed since then.
 
Ah the famous what could have been card. All conjecture and a rather pointless debate. You weren't good enough to represent English football in the top league and nothing much has changed since then.

It is a pointless debate, but I think most people would agree that squad-wise and historically Man Utd would probably do better than Chelsea and Arsenal, that's all (Man City as well, minus the historical bit :p).
 
Ah the famous what could have been card. All conjecture and a rather pointless debate. You weren't good enough to represent English football in the top league and nothing much has changed since then.

Weren't good enough? This goes for City as well when I say this remind me who's 1st and 2nd by a considerable distance (compared with the English sides left in the CL) in the PL?

I can see why you're a little wound up having seen Chelsea beaten yet again but dont go embarrassing yourself by denying that United and City wouldn't of done better than Arsenal & Chelsea have thus far.
 
I cannot believe United fans are daring to question another teams performance in the Champions League :o

We got smashed out of one of the easiest groups (unlike City) with barely a whimper, we should be bowing our heads in shame until next season
 
I cannot believe United fans are daring to question another teams performance in the Champions League :o

We got smashed out of one of the easiest groups (unlike City) with barely a whimper, we should be bowing our heads in shame until next season

I agree, but I still think that our current squad (and form) would do a better job against Milan and Napoli than Arsenal and Chelsea have done so far.

I certainly don't think we deserve to be there or anything like that. Channel 5 is our rightful punishment. :p
 
but a lot of players don't like him and the way he handled anelka was embarassing and the other player (who's name escapes me right now) essentially told them both they had no place there anymore and cannot train with the first team.

then there's the senior players who made chelsea so succesful who are wise to the fact that they are being phased out. that's fine but their replacements aren't performing. cole,cech, drogba, essien, lampard, malouda even maybe terry were real forces a couple of seasons ago, now they're bit-part players (terry the possible exclusion) you can't treat players like that. ok they're on big contracts and off an age where they're looking to wind it down a bit but AVB has gone about it the wrong way. he should be listening to those players for advice, he's younger than some of them!

Malouda was never even close to a force, he's always been rubbish, however its clear they want to get rid of certain players, but have realised they can't get rid of a couple of them because they are far to good, like Lampard.

The real issue is AVB's management style, its a failure, he's trying to play Porto football in a completely different league with different players used to a different way of playing.

Wenger is a good comparison, there may not have been a better attacking team than his 4-4-2 setup, but under 4-5-1, his team is a shambles, there is no effective system, movement is wrong, positioning is wrong. Everything Wenger knows...... is based around a 4-4-2 system and trying to make that work with 4-5-1 is not working at all.

He's a basically untested manager in a real league with real competition(even if that competition is pretty weak this year), and he comes across as failing miserably and his small man complex style of picking a few players to just throw away to make a point is, well, that kind of manager never succeeds long term.

He bought the wrong players, he failed to see that slow ass Terry and the particular back four they had would be very poor at holding a stupidly high line and it took him literally months to give up on it, not playing a defensive midfielder tonight was hilariously stupid and left them looking painfully open. They went for an essentially ultra attacking line up, but started Malouda, inept, and didn't start lampard easily their most effective player this year.

Drogba won't ever get back to form if he's dropped every other game to try and force Torres into goal scoring form.

He's got nothing right, and i haven't seen anything even slightly positive about the way he's conducted himself or tactics/players he's bought/anything.

They bought a flavour of the month manager, who was only flavour of the month because people compared him to Mourinho, which is just ridiculous.
 
I thought Cavani, Hamsik, and Napoli as a whole were pretty underwhelming. Defensively they were awful, their 3 at the back looked rubbish both defensively and on the ball, they just defended so deep and let Chelsea try and break them down which they couldn't do. Lavezzi was very good, looked so threatening, but Chelsea going forward were awful. Sturridge looked good on the ball but in the wrong areas, Drogba did nothing and Mata just drifted out in the second half.
 
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