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UEFA Champions League/Europa League 29/30 April 01 May *** Spoilers ***
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Soldato
Chelsea can install Terry out front as a Water Feature when he retires.
Caporegime
Probably as long as Cole takes to take a throw in.
Caporegime
I'm not convinced they were 'just' mistakes to be honest.
First half, for the most part was very cagey and close, both teams looked cautious and Chelsea especially scared to commit too many players forward.
The first Chelsea goal changed the tone of the game for me, Chelsea got on top for a few minutes and looked very sharp but failed to do much (surprise, surprise) however Madrid seemed to switch up a gear and really grew in strength and confidence after they scored. Madrid continued getting slowly better and better, taking more control the longer the game went on. The first and third goal were very similar, Madrid showed real class to be able to spot a chink in the 'total defence' (or parking two bus) tactic that Chelsea employed.
The penalty was just stupid, Eto'o is experienced enough to know to not make stupid tackles like that, right in front of the referee too.
I thought Chelsea got worse as the game went on, Luiz looked far too relaxed and pedestrian in the midfield (which was my criticism of Madrid in the first half prior to the Chelsea goal) and Ramirez didn't seem to do much. The Chelsea back 6/7 if you like were quite easily picked off the longer the game went on, and the long ball, hoof ball tactic of Chelsea was only made worse by the huge gap opening up between their forwards and defence. Time wasting in the first half from Chelsea & their poor discipline (players always going over to the referee, did not see much of it from Madrid at all) just felt pretty poor.
Didn't see Mourinho nip off to phone his wife early either? Nor did Madrid take the ball to the corner at the end of the first half, not even in the second. Some teams are just interested in playing football and trying to win.
Anyway, I think the superior team has progressed. Madrid v Madrid final. Fireworks
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To a degree, but he's just saying post the second goal nothing counts. Yes morale is low after going 2-1 down, but you're a club spending over twice their wage bill, with lots of quality players. A good team can go 2-1 down and still win. He's saying that they were the better team to the penalty then afterwards basically doesn't count. but Chelsea were poor, many many teams have gone down, like you know Atletico in the last round as well, and come back and won. Mourinho is just dismissing how poor the team was and how they weren't capable of mounting a comeback at all.
He right at the end said Atletico were the better team after the penalty, but he kind of sneaked that remark in at the end after banging on and on about being the better team till the penalty, like the rest of the game was irrelevant.
His tactics I feel asked for that kind of response after going down, a team that played to win by scoring more from the start and in the first leg I don't feel would have been so demoralised to go behind. When you play like that you are indirectly telling the players you aren't good enough to just score more than the other team, then you get in a position where you need to do that and the team showed no confidence they could do that, which isn't surprising.
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I think everyone except Chelsea fans are pleased too.
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It would mean throwing caution to the wind and attacking and being positive. Chelsea haven't set up to do that really at all in the last couple of rounds.
It's disappointing from such a talented squad.
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Yup, I was editing post, that is the thing when you play to these tactics this is the way the team plays, then you get in a situation in which you require a squad full of confidence going forward. That comes from playing offensively in multiple games and having the manager give the team that belief they can win like that. You can't play so negatively so often then be able to be confident you can play a completely different way when required.
Mourinho got fired from Chelsea the first time by and large for being too defensive and boring... he was VERY close to losing the Real job for being far too defensive in the first season, changed it and won a title, then got a bit more defensive again and still couldn't do well in the champs league.
I had hoped after his decent change from over defensive in the first season at Real to more offensive would reflect a general change in his style and hoped he would also realise the need to be more attacking back at Chelsea, but he's regressed again to negative tactics.
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Mourinho's obviously worked out that winning trophies at Chelsea gets you the sack.
And this is what I don't understand. This is just like the last spell when Jose was in charge, yet ManU fans time and time again said they should have appointed Jose as manager.
Why if as they have proved back then and now that they hate this type of football so much? Now I don't mind a team working to stop the other team using their strengths ( I guess I became used to Moyes trying it
) but I don't see how on one hand you can slate his brand of football and on the other say he should have been united manager. Time and time again we heard how it was not about winning but style and that's not what you get with Jose.So what's the real issue, that both times you have been bitter he's not your manager or you genuinely hate his football? I think he would have been a great manager at united but it wouldn't be pretty.
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And this is what I don't understand. This is just like the last spell when Jose was in charge, yet ManU fans time and time again said they should have appointed Jose as manager.
Why if as they have proved back then and now that they hate this type of football so much? Now I don't mind a team working to stop the other team using their strengths ( I guess I became used to Moyes trying it
So what's the real issue, that both times you have been bitter he's not your manager or you genuinely hate his football? I think he would have been a great manager at united but it wouldn't be pretty.
Is this aimed at me? or Manchester United fans?