UEFA Champions League/Europa League 29/30 April 01 May *** Spoilers ***

Yeh second team with Donny Rovers :D.

I'm a Sheffield Wednesday fan :(, although mid-table mediocrity has never felt so nice.

Honest opinion? I don't understand the circle jerk round Mourinho in the press and in this country in general. Over rated and plays negative football.

He's played 8 Champions league semi finals, winning only two, losing six and Porto aside, has spent big money and largely failed. Guardiola has played five, won two and lost three and yet Guardiola get's slated in the press despite encouraging his teams to play attacking football.

I'm not for a second saying Mourinho's a bad coach, but he's not an attacking coach.

I do not think he would suit Manchester United and nor do I understand the press and Manchester United fans obsession with wanting him to move to the club.

Ah, good old Baz can't help yourself.
 
No, I'm happy to admit they're my second team along with Donny. I'm not the poster obsessed with it though :(. Every chance you get.

I follow every football club in some aspect though, happy to watch any match, from anywhere.
 
Tummy said:
Yeh second team with Donny Rovers :D.

I'm a Sheffield Wednesday fan :(, although mid-table mediocrity has never felt so nice.

Honest opinion? I don't understand the circle jerk round Mourinho in the press and in this country in general. Over rated and plays negative football.

He's played 8 Champions league semi finals, winning only two, losing six and Porto aside, has spent big money and largely failed. Guardiola has played five, won two and lost three and yet Guardiola get's slated in the press despite encouraging his teams to play attacking football.

I'm not for a second saying Mourinho's a bad coach, but he's not an attacking coach.

I do not think he would suit Manchester United and nor do I understand the press and Manchester United fans obsession with wanting him to move to the club.

Ah, good old Baz can't help yourself.
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Is this the same Guardiola that plays 'attacking football' yet failed to score even once in two games against Real and has been known in the past, on more than one occasion, to put a team out with no recognised striker?
 
MissChief said:
Is this the same Guardiola that plays 'attacking football' yet failed to score even once in two games against Real and has been known in the past, on more than one occasion, to put a team out with no recognised striker?
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They pretty much defend with 11 men behind the ball... just outside the oppositions box instead of their own :p
 
I think that Guardiola and Mourinho are two managers that nobody should ever want at their club. They seem to be short term managers that hit a brick wall as soon as their system gets found out. I'd love to see how either of those two managers would do with an average squad/budget without many superstar players in it to carry them, because I suspect it would be "not very well".
 
grimm said:
I think that Guardiola and Mourinho are two managers that nobody should ever want at their club. They seem to be short term managers that hit a brick wall as soon as their system gets found out. I'd love to see how either of those two managers would do with an average squad/budget without many superstar players in it to carry them, because I suspect it would be "not very well".
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Said that many times before about Mourinho, and suspected towards the end of his time at Barca that Guardiola was a tactically limited manager as he never ever changed his tactics.

Previous managers, tactics, style and of course player quality all have a huge effect on a new manager. The longer a manager is there the less the previous managers tactics/style are a significant part of the team. if you play attacking football every day for a decade then you don't become a possession/not moving forward only play over night, it takes time.

At Barca this took a couple years where you had a very attacking and creative side merging with possession tactics and the COMBINATION of both was brilliant for a decent amount of time. They clearly got less direct in his last 18 months and got progressively more sterile, more predictable.

At Bayern he took over a team that was already 80% of the way towards Guardiola's tactics, but that 20% extra direct attacking and creativity made all the difference. Throughout the year Bayern have evolved(or devolved) into a Guardiola team. They were very visibly more direct and creative earlier in the season and their progression to a more sterile and boring team has happened over the length of the season.

Mourinho has for years had the same thing, take over an attacking side(and pre Mourinho Chelsea were awesome in attack) and add a defensive strength and you had a great side. But over his two years the old methods wore thin and the defensive style grew stronger. By the time he left they were worse, too defensive and pretty rubbish to watch.

Where Simeone is doing so much better than either of those guys is he has a balanced side, he's improved the defence and the offence. He's not focusing on one area so the team isn't becoming lopsided over time.

Guardiola and Mourinho's teams end up so focused on one thing they get worse at other things over time. They are limited managers that over time make limited teams rather than well rounded teams. Mourinho's first go around Chelsea were so much more attacking when he took over than this year, and his previous chelsea team were SO much better in attack under Mourinho. He can't balance offence with defence.

Guardiola can take a balls out attack team and probably have 2-3 great years with them mixing his style with the existing attack before they got too predictable, but take a possession based team and he'd make them boring very quickly. Give Mourinho a highly attacking team and he'll improve the defence, have a great team for a couple years before he makes them too defensive and can't fix the offensive side, give him a very defensive team and he'll make them too defensive too quickly.

They aren't well rounded managers with the ability to pull out different tactics for difficult games. Guardiola never changes anything and Mourinho's ONLY go to tactic is park the bus and hope to score on the break, after a decade he still has no second tactic, and the first one only works against some teams... mostly those that walk right in to it(Rodgers :p ).

I actually think in utd's situation that either manager could improve the team for a short time. They need a stronger more disciplined defence and better possession/passing. But given more than three years they'd improve Utd short term but make them boring and limited longer term.
 
MissChief said:
Is this the same Guardiola that plays 'attacking football' yet failed to score even once in two games against Real and has been known in the past, on more than one occasion, to put a team out with no recognised striker?
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Mourinho's Chelsea has scored two goals in six Champions League Semi Finals. Also saw this ;2 trophies out of a possible 14 available in the last 4 years. £272,440,000 spent in that time.

Guardiola's Barcelona scored eight while he was in charge.

I said Guardiola's sides encourage attacking football more so that Mourinho's Chelsea :).

Spain also played tournament football without a 'recognised' striker too, so it is not just a Guardiola 'thing'.

grimm said:
I think that Guardiola and Mourinho are two managers that nobody should ever want at their club. They seem to be short term managers that hit a brick wall as soon as their system gets found out. I'd love to see how either of those two managers would do with an average squad/budget without many superstar players in it to carry them, because I suspect it would be "not very well".
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I think Mourinho is overly negative and defensive in general, however I think while Guardiola's system is more encouraging of attacking football, he is still a very cautious coach, you just have to understand how much he values controlling the game (via possession) to see that.
 
Extremely chuffed to see Atletico go through, just caught the highlights and they really took the game to chelsea even after going a goal down. So much for the bus parking though lol.

Fantastic result for Atletico, i really want them to win both La Liga and CL this yr. The things Simeone has done for that club is truly immense, financially cant compete with Barca or Real but somehow are top of the la liga and in the cl final. Saying that id also like to see Real win the la decima as well.

Last yr all German final and this yr all Spanish final but both teams from Madrid. Hopefully the final will be a good one with plenty of goals.

Lol@Terry crying though, brought a smile to my face.
 
Pigeon_Killer said:
Mourinho's obviously worked out that winning trophies at Chelsea gets you the sack.
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Question is will he leave now??

I remember him saying this:

Of course its about winning trophies. My DNA didnt change, my nature didnt change. I am not the kind of person to be at the same club for three or four years without winning a trophy.

In this case, i dont need the club to say 'we are not happy, goodbye'. I will be the first one to say 'I gave everything I could but I didnt succeed, so let's both go and try a different thing
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http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896...-i-will-quit-chelsea-if-i-do-not-win-trophies

Wonder if he will stick to his words that he came out with back last August
 
He has acknowledged that there are gaps in the squad and areas to be improved upon still, so provided he is given the cash to blow by Abramovich then I can't see him going anywhere before giving himself a chance to bring the squad to a point where he is happy with it for a full season.
 
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