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He's started pretty badly, which considering he's come from the same league and played under the same manager is a little disappointing. I hope he comes good but he's got to improve drastically.
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Firstly his best games last year he played upfront, so he didn't dominate Yaya last season against City, this ignoring that Yaya was crap last year(for Yaya, still better than most).
Second, a stupid turn when it's completely pointless is just that. That video is a standing still player being passed a ball from a player who miscontrolled the ball and was running to catch up to it. You will find one of the easiest things in football is side stepping someone running at high pace. Someone standing still can move sideways easily, someone running at speed can't. He actually made a overly high risk move there when moving sideways had a smaller chance of a mistake and would have been equally effective. That video suggests he overplays the ball to me, nothing else.
Everton fans(and anyone with eyes) also don't say he sometimes goes missing, they say he SOMETIMES has good or even great games but goes missing constantly. Considering in the same league, in the same position asked to do the same job he has only been ineffective so far for Utd, i would say that mirrors what most Everton fans have said about him.
Last year he was effective when played mostly as a striker, for the first 1/3 of the season and almost completely ineffective for the rest of the season. Similar starting/tactical position but throughout the season they played more attackers, guys like Naismith or Mirallas and Fellaini dropped deeper and deeper throughout the season playing more central midfield by xmas than before. He also stopped scoring and was noticeably less involved, less effective and offered very little the further back he moved.
His effectiveness as a striker to lump the ball up to or cross a ball or corner into the box was pretty much directly related to his ability to elbow people in the face, I believe he headbutted one guy, punched another and general deserved about 74 red cards last year while "being effective".
Second, a stupid turn when it's completely pointless is just that. That video is a standing still player being passed a ball from a player who miscontrolled the ball and was running to catch up to it. You will find one of the easiest things in football is side stepping someone running at high pace. Someone standing still can move sideways easily, someone running at speed can't. He actually made a overly high risk move there when moving sideways had a smaller chance of a mistake and would have been equally effective. That video suggests he overplays the ball to me, nothing else.
Everton fans(and anyone with eyes) also don't say he sometimes goes missing, they say he SOMETIMES has good or even great games but goes missing constantly. Considering in the same league, in the same position asked to do the same job he has only been ineffective so far for Utd, i would say that mirrors what most Everton fans have said about him.
Last year he was effective when played mostly as a striker, for the first 1/3 of the season and almost completely ineffective for the rest of the season. Similar starting/tactical position but throughout the season they played more attackers, guys like Naismith or Mirallas and Fellaini dropped deeper and deeper throughout the season playing more central midfield by xmas than before. He also stopped scoring and was noticeably less involved, less effective and offered very little the further back he moved.
His effectiveness as a striker to lump the ball up to or cross a ball or corner into the box was pretty much directly related to his ability to elbow people in the face, I believe he headbutted one guy, punched another and general deserved about 74 red cards last year while "being effective".
In fairness to him it was a crappy situation to start with
1. He patently wasn't first choice for a midfield signing and then arrived on the last minute of the transfer window
2. No focused pre-season with the team
3. International breaks totally disrupt the first two months of the season
4. United as a team started very poorly
5. he clearly sees himself as a DCM the same as Carrick and in 4-4-2 its hard to accommodate both
He hasn't had a lot of game time but I thought he disrupted quite well last night and never really left Rio or Vidic exposed. Yes he is still a little wasteful but what United player wasn't last night. Ultimately I think he is a better option that Darren Fletcher (aside from his injury issues) so for me he offers something United will need in games where a physicality is required.
did i say anything about last season ? nope i did not.
LOL, sorry i can't take you seriously.
Absolute nonsense.
If he went missing constantly do you think he'd
1. Be in the starting 11 of an incredibly talented Belgium side with a wealth of midfield talent at their disposal.
2. Have been constantly linked to countless major clubs every other week.
3. Have Moyes desperate to sign him ? if he was so rubbish and inconsistent at Everton why the hell would Moyes want to take him with him to United ?
Honestly the nonsense some people talk, its embarrassing
Literally the most wrong post i've ever read. Congratulations.
Im off, have fun making stuff up, you're good at it.
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My mum could give carrick and clverevly a run for their money. That means nowt. As I said we play a game of cutting out our midfield
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My mum could give carrick and clverevly a run for their money. That means nowt. As I said we play a game of cutting out our midfield
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So Jaynos (bless him) has decided to start an argument about football with Runningman AND DM?
I have to say I'm with DM on this. I'm not sure what drugs people are on to say he dominated that game against utd. It's just lots of clips of him touching the ball that basically led to nothing, I did give up after 5minutes watching to be fair lol
People have to give him time to settle but I doubt he will ever be a regular starter for utd. He has something different about his style, he is big, bit clumsy and fouls people a lot, obviously people won't like playing against it. But more suited to stoke than utd. Mid table first team player.
Ok maybe he is at the right club....
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***1***Don't put words into my mouth. I have no expectations or demands for success. In fact tbh, it's not hugely important to me at present. We have been spoiled and for now all I really ask for is entertaining football, or at least signs that TPTB are working towards something.
***2***What evidence could there possibly be, beyond that of my own personal observations which lead to my own personal opinion?
***3***It's irrelevant to me how good Valencia was in his first season. Is it really too much to ask for more than some defensive cover and.."bulk" from our winger? Is this a pub team were watching or can we just raise our standards a little higher here? Because the creativity was never going to come from the centre. And indeed our plan was to always go to Valencia. So unless DM thought his impressive "bulk" was to going to turn apples into oranges it's fair to say he would have wanted some end product. Of which there was none.
***4***I've already said Nani was poor that day. The fact remains he is twice the player Valencia is. Every time he has had a run of games on the right he has performed. He deserves better.
***5***Wow the blind faith you have in DM because he is an experienced manager is a little scary. It's still possible for him to be wrong, you know that right? Zaha has more ability than young and Valencia. He has played well in pre-season and the league cup. So I would argue again that he can't be any worst. Give him a try.
On a more general note, despite the opinions of some, my feelings here are as much a reflection on the past 3+ seasons as they are on last night. This is not a knee jerk reaction, nor is my main disappointment an obsession with trophy's. After a while they lose a little wonder and you learn to just enjoy a good football match
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I have to say I'm with DM on this. I'm not sure what drugs people are on to say he dominated that game against utd. It's just lots of clips of him touching the ball that basically led to nothing, I did give up after 5minutes watching to be fair lol
People have to give him time to settle but I doubt he will ever be a regular starter for utd. He has something different about his style, he is big, bit clumsy and fouls people a lot, obviously people won't like playing against it. But more suited to stoke than utd. Mid table first team player.
Ok maybe he is at the right club....
Sorry had to be done
The video is awful, it shows at least a few things that should have been fouls that weren't given, the majority is him heading the ball to absolutely no one, miscontrolling the ball on multiple occasions. Sure he got the ball to team mates plenty, but in what way is that different to anyone else. He had 6 shots that game, 2 on target, didn't show the 4 he got off target or the other attempt. he conceded 6 fouls and only drew 2(and that was with the ref missing plenty), which suggests he went around battering people all game.
he scored 8 of his 11 goals by the 1st of December, after that time he scored 4 more goals, one against Cheltenham, 2 against Villa, one against Reading, 3 particularly awful teams.
He apparently didn't settle for a year and a half, yet his first season was his next best scoring season, with the year after being his worst.... with the two years following that being only marginally better.
look up national teams, Melo for Brazil for instance, complete crap, everyone knew he was crap yet went to a world cup and single handed knocked them out, own goal, red card, turned the game around. Even the best teams take awful players. england in particular but many countries ROUTINELY pick players from higher up teams in top leagues if they deserve it or not. Being picked for a national side in no way makes a player undeniably great.
No one has said Fellaini is crap(not really), just that he isn't either worth 27mil, nor even particularly more than average, which is true. There are MANY average players at many top clubs and who get picked for their countries constantly. he mostly gets picked to be a physical pain in the ass, Zigic, completely crap at football, gets picked for the same reason and for his country also, doesn't make him a good player at all in any way.
Fellaini categorically was more effective in the first 3 months of the season, he categorically got played further forward than any previous season, and he most certainly played deeper and deeper as the season went on and was less and less useful.
That video pretty much sums up that knocking it long to a big lump can mean that big lump heads the ball a lot and wins a lot of headers, most of what he did came to nothing. Even in that video most of the good play was from good movements of team mates. Why was that a better season for Fellaini than most, because he was pushed further forwards, and hence them having someone to lump it forward to. How often do you think in the previous season sitting in midfield do you think the defense would blast a high long ball.... 15 yards in front of them to where Fellaini was playing, answer, not often. When he got pushed an extra 20-30 yards forward playing upfront, Everton did it constantly as evidenced by the video in which 90% of the clips are a long ball to Fellaini... with the majority of them being possession lost within a few seconds after his header.
I don't think we fundamentally disagree here. Valencia has regressed but given the competition for wide right sided players in our squad it tells you something that he is invariably the preferred selection
He has more talent but less delivery. aside from a 2/3 month period where he more or less carried United at the start of the 2011/2012 season his form has been very patchy. Performances like the other week would categorize him as a liability and when the manager is under so much pressure for a win then I can understand why Nani aint worth the risk.
well as Moyes has infinitely more RL football management experience than anyone on an internet forum I seldom feel too secure in handing him out advice. However if Zaha is that talented then why would he not play? i suspect that its because the experts think he isnt ready or only want to bring through Januzaj at present. United don't look solid enough at present to blood another coltish rookie. I admit its frustrating to see an investment not begin to repay but I think you have to give these young players time.
On a more general note, despite the opinions of some, my feelings here are as much a reflection on the past 3+ seasons as they are on last night. This is not a knee jerk reaction, nor is my main disappointment an obsession with trophy's. After a while they lose a little wonder and you learn to just enjoy a good football match
don't disagree - United have laboured for some time. Last seasons procession to the title said more about the self destruction of City and Chelsea than United's prowess. Its one of the reasons I cancelled my Sky Sports subs because I wasnt enjoying watching them labour to results. However I think we owe the new management team time to manage the transition rather than
calling for regime change 16 matches into a 60 game season. After all we are still in all four competitions!
So Jaynos (bless him) has decided to start an argument about football with Runningman AND DM?
It's not going to end well at all for him.
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lol..
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no its ok i figured out they are the resident whoppers, won't waste any more braincells reading his ill informed nonsense
Fellaini is too one dimensional though..