UEFA Champions League/Europa League ** Spoilers ** [16/17/18 September 2014]

Trusty said:
Maybe money is becoming more of a problem eh? who can really compete with City, Chelsea and UTD in the grand scheme of things?
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Not sure what you point is, we got utterly destroyed last night by a team with a smaller budget, Liverpool have a smaller budget. We're buying the wrong players, using the wrong tactics and not adapting to teams at all.

The wage gap between Arsenal and City is closing, not widening, same deal with Chelsea. When they got big money their wage bills exploded but have stayed relatively steady over the past 4-5 years, infact reducing on Chelsea's side, Arsenal's have steadily increased over that time. Everton spend even less than Dortmund and utterly demolished us last year.

We could afford to buy Dortmund's squad 3 times over... but end up with a bunch of players who play significantly worse football.

It's not about money, it's about Wenger, it's only about Wenger. There is now, with Fergie gone, no manager who has such complete control over a team. Apparently 8 of the 11 starters for Liverpool last night were Rodgers buys, but the rest of the squad has lots of players other managers have chosen. if he spotted 10 brilliant 12 year old kids they might be the next best things but might not be around for another 5 years.

Wenger has been in complete control for a very long time. Where is the steady stream of youngsters coming through that other teams in europe have(Barca, Bayern, Dortmund, etc). Can Wenger use an excuse that he's just arrived?

He controls who scouts, who picks kids, the style of football the kids play, how they train, who gets to stay and who goes. Ultimate responsibility for the utter failure of our academy rests with Wenger and no one else, as does buying Diaby, Arteta, Gibbs, Monreal, Santos... loaning out Jenkinson without an back up at all, etc.
 
I'll have to add 'not mattering to the opposition' to the list of reasons Arsenal have ever won a game ever along with bad luck, injuries, poor refereeing, fixture scheduling and eating dodgy curry the night before.
 
drunkenmaster said:
Not sure what you point is, we got utterly destroyed last night by a team with a smaller budget, Liverpool have a smaller budget. We're buying the wrong players, using the wrong tactics and not adapting to teams at all.

The wage gap between Arsenal and City is closing, not widening, same deal with Chelsea. When they got big money their wage bills exploded but have stayed relatively steady over the past 4-5 years, infact reducing on Chelsea's side, Arsenal's have steadily increased over that time. Everton spend even less than Dortmund and utterly demolished us last year.

We could afford to buy Dortmund's squad 3 times over... but end up with a bunch of players who play significantly worse football.

It's not about money, it's about Wenger, it's only about Wenger. There is now, with Fergie gone, no manager who has such complete control over a team. Apparently 8 of the 11 starters for Liverpool last night were Rodgers buys, but the rest of the squad has lots of players other managers have chosen. if he spotted 10 brilliant 12 year old kids they might be the next best things but might not be around for another 5 years.

Wenger has been in complete control for a very long time. Where is the steady stream of youngsters coming through that other teams in europe have(Barca, Bayern, Dortmund, etc). Can Wenger use an excuse that he's just arrived?

He controls who scouts, who picks kids, the style of football the kids play, how they train, who gets to stay and who goes. Ultimate responsibility for the utter failure of our academy rests with Wenger and no one else, as does buying Diaby, Arteta, Gibbs, Monreal, Santos... loaning out Jenkinson without an back up at all, etc.
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My point is quite simple, Arsenal's transfer outlays against the other big british clubs. I don't think we need to go over it again, you know my viewpoint. Last night, like i said before was a poor game for us. Lets see what happens when we get to the final 16 (fingers crossed)
 
I'm not sure how I want the Bayern - City game to end...

From one end, i would prefer one of them to get as little points as possible, so Roma can qualify 'easily.' Then again, if they draw, Roma will have the points advantage going into the City game, so a draw would still be decent.
 
I can't stand Bayern and I can't stand pep. A perfect storm of dislike and contempt.

So much diving, haranguing the ref and arrogance. Come on city!
 
Trusty said:
My point is quite simple, Arsenal's transfer outlays against the other big british clubs. I don't think we need to go over it again, you know my viewpoint. Last night, like i said before was a poor game for us. Lets see what happens when we get to the final 16 (fingers crossed)
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Still don't get your point, Arsenal have spent £230mil in the past 4 summers and failed to get anyone of the quality of Di Maria, Blind, Herrera or Falcao. The idea Arsenal don't spend is simply wrong, and again we go back to manager, no other manager at a current top team(except Klopp to a lesser degree) has the opportunity to buy a Hazard, Ronaldo, Muller or Bale at 16-19 MUCH cheaper than Wenger has had, and he's utterly failed to do that. The longer the manager is in place the more chance he has to buy cheaper players and bring them through and bring through youngsters from the academy.

It's not that Arsenal can't spend, it's that Wenger is spending badly.
 
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