We don't have the luxury in this country as most of the fans demonstrate week in week out on this forum, everyone is up in arms when their team loses.
How's UTD's academy doing?
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We don't have the luxury in this country as most of the fans demonstrate week in week out on this forum, everyone is up in arms when their team loses.
How's UTD's academy doing?
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So precisely how was it that Arsenal got Kos for 8 million and on something around the 60k a week mark?
You are as per usual reciting cliches that simply aren't true, things people just say without any thinking backing it up and certainly no proof.
If Atletico can sign Diego Costa on well below 100k a week, how could Arsenal not. He may move on eventually, he may want wages Arsenal couldn't afford. Almost all players are affordable at some stage.
Picking one good buy amongst many bad is one thing, claiming Arsenal haven't been buying poorly because of that one signing is absurd.
I didn't say every buy was bad, but many have been. Arteta was never a good signing at his age, level he was at and where he'd end up playing for us. Santos, Monreal, poor signings, Debuchy isn't great, 12mil but not actually brilliant and 29 already.
Ozil in a million years isn't worth 42million, he'd be an okay signing at half that but he's still even at 20mil, completely unreliable in big games(and many others). Sanchez at 30mil was also a poor buy, he's completely over rated and just another walcott. He has in every game dropped deep, tried to get on the ball tried to run it and hold on to it... almost all if it resulting in losing the ball and often leaving us vulnerable to a counter. His all around play is poor, it was poor in the world cup, it was often poor for Barca. LIke Walcott he is useful with 1-2 touches in the box before he shoots. He's fitter and more reliable than Walcott, but 30mil on another player who can't actually carry the ball from the half way line to the box? Di Maria can do that and would have cost less than Ozil and Sanchez yet been a much better buy for Arsenal even at 60mil. He was what the team was missing, instead we spent more money on two players that don't improve the team much if at all.
Paying lots for players with massive flaws in their game but most importantly, take starting spots away from already high quality players is simply wasteful. Spending on the players we actually need makes much more sense.
Every single year there are great buys, regardless of how much the club have been spending or have available on wages. Blind isn't getting 200k a week and he didn't cost £40mil, Matic isn't getting 200k a week and also didn't cost £40mil. They are both the type of player that could make a monumental difference but instead we spent more on players we didn't actually need. But they are proof that teams who spend big(when they want to absolutely NOT because they need to), frequently buy great value players on wages we can easily afford.
Diego Costa despite being better than Sanchez cost the same and has made a huge impact on that team. We desperately needed a striker of his quality and instead bought Walcott Mk 2, and on similar wages.
We could desperately have done with Fabregas for 30mil and again on reasonable wages... but instead threw money away on other players.
There is example after example of "big" teams with all the money making great value purchases, in transfer fee and wages that Arsenal can absolutely afford.
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Wenger has been afforded that luxury, 9 years to be precise. Spent lots, bought lots of youngsters, and churned out... crap all so far.
You whined about the money, now you're whining about the time you're allowed to build something like Ajax or Dortmund or any other institute, but he's been given both and come up with... The 4th place warriors.
Edit: United's academy, oh pretty crap I'd say, investing in rubbish or teaching them the wrong brand of football, hence why they have to spend big and yet we still can get turned over by the teams I'm pointing out.
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lol...matey. So many hindsights and naivety as normal. We're just regurgitating the same tripe as before, really can't be chewed.
Huh? I'm proud of Arsenal as football club, the type of football it plays, the way they go about transfers and what not. I wish they would bring down season tickets prices, its a lot more than other clubs, but that was the price though to get Arsenal set up when moving from Highbury. Loads of fans would be envious of a club like Arsenal. You've been listening to DM too much i think
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Atletico have realistically 3 players who were part of the youth setup in Atletico, Gabi, Koke and Suarez, almost everyone else is bought.
Dortmund have really 2-3 players who are real products of their youth system also. Reus spent a decade there then left and actually became a genuinely good player elsewhere and they bought him back for £15mil or so, but he spent a long time there. The majority of the team was bought.
They have produced some good players but realistically Atletico and Dortmund's success has come more from buying exceptionally well than home produced players. Same really as Arsenal, when we were good Wenger had "the eye". He bought some ruddy awful players, all managers do, but his best buys were exceptional.
We haven't bought someone of Fabregas, Pires, Henry, Vieira, Gilberto quality well, since we bought Fab/RVP. Instead we started spending 15mil a piece on Walcott/Ox/Hleb.
There are fantastic buys available EVERY season, to every league, at every level, there is evidence of this every single year. There is also evidence of stupid teams making bad buys every year, that is how it goes. The teams that do the best have managers who do better in the market than other managers. Wenger has been overpaying for worse quality when he used to underpay for the top quality.
Too many people watch City/Chelsea spend silly money and presume they have to, they both just want immediate success and like to make a statement. They still bought the likes of Kompany for 5mil, Zabaleta, Clichy and several other players for more than good value.
The other probably bigger issue is, inability to cut out the not good enough players. Rather than selling Gibbs, or Diaby, or Rosicky, we give them new contract after new contract, they are not good enough or not even used.
These guys over the years have cost 10's of millions to the club, loads of players, a couple dozen at least that were kept FAR too long while many barely even played, it all adds up.
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Your point was they can't compete with Man Utd, Chelsea, and City due to spenditure, but other institutions can through football development, why can't arsenal? Give me a reason, because money isn't the problem.
Youth are bought or scouted and then developed. This doesn't change between arsenal, City, United, Chelsea, or any of the foreign institutions I've named. They don't pay big fees or wages to see kids.
So explain why money has anything to do with the youth development and the likes of these teams that beat big wigs like Chelsea, City and Utd.
You're not addressing the issue, you're wandering off, with your arms in the air saying I'm talking nonsense when you simply haven't given me a reason.
Edit: further as DM says, astute purchasing, through scouting systems. Liverpool are starting to bring that into play very well. Splashing smaller amounts on talented individuals, not paying out mega amounts to them in wages.
Youth are bought or scouted and then developed. This doesn't change between arsenal, City, United, Chelsea, or any of the foreign institutions I've named. They don't pay big fees or wages to see kids.
So explain why money has anything to do with the youth development and the likes of these teams that beat big wigs like Chelsea, City and Utd.
You're not addressing the issue, you're wandering off, with your arms in the air saying I'm talking nonsense when you simply haven't given me a reason.
Edit: further as DM says, astute purchasing, through scouting systems. Liverpool are starting to bring that into play very well. Splashing smaller amounts on talented individuals, not paying out mega amounts to them in wages.
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You talking to me? I don't really know what your chatting about in general tbh. Which prodigies are we talking about? Bale? Ronaldo? Fabregas?
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So Mourinho comments along the lines of Costa not fit enough to start midweek games and will not be starting games less than a week apart until he's in better condition. I don't think he said it specifically but it appears to be this hamstring issue that many suspected could be an issue. It still is, I presume he's having pain and needs adequate rest between games or it does what we saw with messi in that it held him back from running and accelerating and he was half the player(still better than almost everyone else).
Judging from Ronaldo and Messi both having basically 6-18 months(it's been about 6 for Ronaldo, it took about 18 for Messi to get back to what appears to be his full running normal self) where they had trouble playing every game, where they looked no where near their best and where they kept reinjuring the same muscle.
Costa doesn't seem to have had as long out in one particular time as Messi did... yet, and he seems much less hampered than Messi was... as yet. I guess time will tell if he gets fitter over time or keeps getting little pulls and problems for an extended period.
It will harm their champs league ambitions but there aren't that many weeks where there are midweek games in the league these days. I'm sure there will be times depending on who they play before a CL game where they rest him in the league and play him champs league.
quotes from ESPN.
His take seems to be it appeared in the national team but realistically he had it end of last season, he just didn't have a lot of games in a row to aggravate the injury till the national team. Preseason is easy mode and no where near as intense.
Judging from Ronaldo and Messi both having basically 6-18 months(it's been about 6 for Ronaldo, it took about 18 for Messi to get back to what appears to be his full running normal self) where they had trouble playing every game, where they looked no where near their best and where they kept reinjuring the same muscle.
Costa doesn't seem to have had as long out in one particular time as Messi did... yet, and he seems much less hampered than Messi was... as yet. I guess time will tell if he gets fitter over time or keeps getting little pulls and problems for an extended period.
It will harm their champs league ambitions but there aren't that many weeks where there are midweek games in the league these days. I'm sure there will be times depending on who they play before a CL game where they rest him in the league and play him champs league.
quotes from ESPN.
His take seems to be it appeared in the national team but realistically he had it end of last season, he just didn't have a lot of games in a row to aggravate the injury till the national team. Preseason is easy mode and no where near as intense.
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Bit of a lacklustre performance by Chelsea last night but that's not to take anything away from Schalke who ran & pressed all game, they deserved the draw at least.
It's worrying hearing about Costa and his hamstring problem too as it was evident last night that Drogba just isn't good enough any more unfortunately.
It's worrying hearing about Costa and his hamstring problem too as it was evident last night that Drogba just isn't good enough any more unfortunately.
We had numerous opportunities to score, didn't and paid the price. We can count ourselves lucky that the other game ended in a 1-1 draw as well. I thought Drogba was completely out of it in the first half and should have been substituted much earlier. He really is a shadow of his former self.
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And then on to the amateurs?
EFC XI: Howard, Coleman, Baines, Stones, Jagielka, McCarthy, Barry, Mirallas, McGeady, Naismith, Lukaku
subs: Joel, Gibson, Alcaraz, Eto’o, Besic, Atsu, Osman.
Wolfsburg XI: Benaglio, Caligiuri, Olic, De Bruyne, Malanda, Luiz Gustavo, Jung, Naldo, Arnold, Knoche, Rodriguez.
subs: Grun, Bendtner, Schafer, Klose, Hunt, Guilavogui, Klich.
subs: Joel, Gibson, Alcaraz, Eto’o, Besic, Atsu, Osman.
Wolfsburg XI: Benaglio, Caligiuri, Olic, De Bruyne, Malanda, Luiz Gustavo, Jung, Naldo, Arnold, Knoche, Rodriguez.
subs: Grun, Bendtner, Schafer, Klose, Hunt, Guilavogui, Klich.
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I assume ITV are streaming this broadcast over dialup?