That's how ive taken it tbh. I bet he's fuming at his performance.
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That's how ive taken it tbh. I bet he's fuming at his performance.
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They just showed it on BT a bit more and Salah does celebrate the goal and then throws the bottle down. Probably more a release of anger for his performance and a have that PSG kinda thing.
I’ve celebrated our goals that way and I’m just a fat bloke at home
Good to see that we've beat a top side in Europe again and it's because they were ****. They always play **** against us it's such a coincidence.
As with the Spurs game, the scoreline flattered PSG. We were the better side from start to finish - PSG couldn't cope with our energy in attack, our midfield were outstanding again, covering every blade of grass and on the few tmes PSG managed to get the ball into their front 3, our backline (particularly Robertson on Mbappe) were all over them. The only frustrating thing to take from the game is that we nearly threw 3 points away. Yes their first goal should never have counted but we cannot continue to be so wasteful in front of goal - Salah in particular looks so desperate to score and he's trying to hard and it's costing us goals. We could and should have scored another 1 or 2 at 2-0/2-1 but too many attacks broke down too easily. As for his reaction to Firmino's goal, there's gif's of him celebrating the goal before he's thrown the bottle to the ground and it looks to me more relief/letting out his frustrations after nearly costing us a win with his general play and obviously the pass that lead to their equaliser.
As with the Spurs game, the scoreline flattered PSG. We were the better side from start to finish - PSG couldn't cope with our energy in attack, our midfield were outstanding again, covering every blade of grass and on the few tmes PSG managed to get the ball into their front 3, our backline (particularly Robertson on Mbappe) were all over them. The only frustrating thing to take from the game is that we nearly threw 3 points away. Yes their first goal should never have counted but we cannot continue to be so wasteful in front of goal - Salah in particular looks so desperate to score and he's trying to hard and it's costing us goals. We could and should have scored another 1 or 2 at 2-0/2-1 but too many attacks broke down too easily. As for his reaction to Firmino's goal, there's gif's of him celebrating the goal before he's thrown the bottle to the ground and it looks to me more relief/letting out his frustrations after nearly costing us a win with his general play and obviously the pass that lead to their equaliser.
They were **** Baz. Part of that was Liverpool press but a large part of it was PSG missing a midfield and hoping that their 3 star strikers would do it all on their own. Both Neymar and Mbappe were poor, couldn't control the ball well and kept overrunning the ball. When you play against a team like Athletico they invite pressure and counter attack but all their players don't suddenly have two left feet and mess up the simplest of passes. Neymar and Mbappe were not at the races for 90% of the game. Nothing to do with Liverpool pressing them.
When you dominate a top team there is very rarely one reason for it. Tottenham fans were gushing after they beat us 3-0 like they didn't just stick away 3 of their chances whilst being largely average. Liverpool played really well and PSG were awful.
So it had nothing to do with Liverpool but when you dominate a team it's very rarely down to one reason. Talk about having your cake and eating it.
You can think what you like, as I said it's just a massive coincidence that it keeps happening vs us, we're clearly the luckiest team of all time or just maybe we're an incredibly hard team to play against and teams have to perform at 100% to play well against us. Just an idea.
Every time Neymar got the ball at least one of our midfield + Trent were on top of him, sometimes 3 players around him. In the first few minutes there were a couple of times where Neymar's touch and control was absolutely spot on and he was able to beat our press but it's nigh on impossible to be absolutely spot on all the time and teams have to be when we play like this. Unlike Utd we don't sit off players and give them all the time in the world, making it easy for them to get the ball under control and build attacks, relying on being compact behind the ball - it's a risky approach because if we don't press at the right moments or if the opposition are bang at it, we can be exposed defensively but we're actually quite good at it and time and time again we've made exceptional players look rubbish.
Thats some creative use of paraphrasing there. Literally the first line of my post said "part of that was Liverpools press". I was referring to Neymar and Mbappe being awful not being due to Liverpools press. Neither one could control the ball or run with the ball without kicking it 3-4m too far in front of themselves. I'm not sure how Liverpools press stops players from controlling a ball or making a simple pass under no pressure but hey ho clearly Liverpool had psychologically shaken them to the point of being gibbering wrecks.
The luckiest team of all time. Nah mate, Liverpool are the unluckiest team ever, haven't you heard? There is dominating a team and not letting them play and then there is what PSG were last night. I have seen Liverpool play a lot better and yet the opposition still didn't play awfully on a basic skills level.
Every time Neymar got the ball and ran at Liverpool he hit it too far in front of himself and ran into Liverpool players. In the last 20 minutes of the game he had acres of space at times and still messed up repeatedly. Their second goal was a poor touch from Neymar. Liverpool played well but I really can't see how you don't think that PSG were awful as well.
PSG, when not playing against the Liverpool press, have averaged over 3 goals per game this season. They were poor because they denied the time and space in which to produce their normal game. Their touch and control looked bad because the space wasn't there for them to do what they wanted and because of that, their touch became hurried. That's what proper pressing does to teams and individuals. It makes opposition players tire and make decisions they don't normally make. Even when they're in space. Liverpool also have a lot of recovery pace so even when a player has time to make a pass, he knows it has to be the right pass, executed well, otherwise the pass won't be successful.
So PSG played badly. They probably wouldn't have done against a compact side who sat and let them be comfortable on the ball. They haven't been poor in any other games this season.
So PSG played badly. They probably wouldn't have done against a compact side who sat and let them be comfortable on the ball. They haven't been poor in any other games this season.
As I said, you can think what you like, I disagree. PSG didn't play well but the biggest reason why is because we didn't allow them to play well. We're a horrible team to play against and I honestly believe that if you asked City, PSG, Barca or any great footballing side who's the one side in Europe you don't want to face, it'll be us - just look Beguiristain's reaction to the CL 1/4 final draw last season, the guy was visibly devastated when City drew us. These sides are used to facing teams, even other top teams, that are afraid of them, that drop off and allow them time and space to play but we don't do that. We take the game to them and play in a way (assuming we do it correctly) that if they're going to beat us then they have to play to their absolute best and one day it'll happen - we'll be bang at it ourself but a Barca, City or PSG will be at the very top of their game too and they'll beat our press and we will be exposed.
Absolutely spot on.
So they haven't been poor against the utter crap that comprises most of the French league. Colour me surprised. PSG have won the French league at a canter for the past 4 seasons. There is a reason they haven't won the CL and its not their squad. PSG have a ridiculous front 3 that will be plenty good enough to take most budget teams to the cleaners. Liverpool are a top side and they still conceded twice and could have conceded more (and yes they could have scored more as well).
You can't compare the teams PSG play on a weekly basis to almost any team they will face in the CL.
Anyway, we aren't going to agree on this so I guess we both just have our opinions and leave it at that.
A point on the Kane chat from earlier in the thread. There's been a lot of talk about him needing a break after the WC but I don't think he's looked himself since his injury Feb/March time. I've always felt and said that Spurs over play him, even when they're 3 goals up he seemingly always plays the full 90 minutes and iirc he returned from his injury earlier than what the initial time scale for recovery was. He chipped in with goals towards the end of last season and got the golden boot at the WC but his actual performances were far from great and it's continued into this season. He's a player that looks like he desperately needs a long break and a full pre-season, unfortunately I'm not sure Spurs are in a position to be without him for the time that's going to take.
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They need a far better back up striker than Llorente.
I’d make it a priority for them. City have got Aguero, Sane, Jesus. Liverpool Salah, Mane, Firmino. Arsenal, Lacazette, Aubameyang. Utd have Lukaku, Rashford, Sanchez.
They just have Kane who really plays central striker. No way can you challenge for premier leagues and champions leagues with one out and out striker regardless of how good he is.
Sane, Mane and Salah aren't out and out strikers either. Spurs can't get better back-up for Kane which is why they haven't. And it's the same reason why Liverpool haven't gone out and signed a high profile striker to cover Firmino - Kane/Firmino are the first name on the teamsheet and no half decent striker is going to join only to be nothing more than cover and if you could persuade somebody to do that, they'd want astronomical wages which Spurs can't pay.
What Spurs need to do is have more players like Son. Players that will get their games playing as a 2nd striker or in wide positions but equally, if Kane is out, could slot in up front.
What Spurs need to do is have more players like Son. Players that will get their games playing as a 2nd striker or in wide positions but equally, if Kane is out, could slot in up front.
Liverpool were good but PSG were quite poor. They just wanted to sit back and hit balls to the front 3 (who made no effort to do anything), and Liverpool totally stopped that. That said, they almost got a draw!
Anyway, I expect our game tonight will be awful compared
Anyway, I expect our game tonight will be awful compared
Anyway, I expect our game tonight will be awful compared
Quite amazed that a CL team is allowed to use an artificial surface for their games.
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Excited to see this starting elven and Dalot in particular. Can't expect too much of him though, but if he can manage some decent crossing that'll be a great start.
