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Yeah, I think every fan has different expectations. My expectations is we continue playing attacking football, now that we got money, try and sign at least one top top player every summer. Cech was an awesome signing for us this year.

I have realistic expectations so I am rarely disappointed with Arsenal.

I do agree with DM that Walcott is not the striker that will win us he champions league or likely premier league. But I am happy to give him one full season to see what he can do. I prefer him on the wing though.

We need a world class striker and have Giroud rotate with him and as backup really. Should have paid Liverpool 60M and just got Suarez to be honest. Would have paid off.

The debt on the stadium has not gone, absolutely nothing changed financially in regards to the stadium since we moved. At no stage did we ever not have significantly more money available since the move than before the move. Randomly people decided the debt was gone and we could spend a few years ago... nothing changed, we just spent a bit more money finally and it was largely because we were offered Ozil, if Real hadn't been looking to get rid of him we probably wouldn't have approached them nor gone after any 40+ mil player.
 
The debt on the stadium has not gone, absolutely nothing changed financially in regards to the stadium since we moved. At no stage did we ever not have significantly more money available since the move than before the move. Randomly people decided the debt was gone and we could spend a few years ago... nothing changed, we just spent a bit more money finally and it was largely because we were offered Ozil, if Real hadn't been looking to get rid of him we probably wouldn't have approached them nor gone after any 40+ mil player.

I never said the debt on the stadium has gone completely, even though no doubt it has gone down. But we sure as hell do have more money to spend. More tv money, more money from gates, more money recently from puma...
 
I dislike winning big games because fans for literally 8 years now act like one win means things have turned around.... they haven't. ONce again we get Walcott, who was dire, saying the win against Bayern means Arsenal are for real... seriously?

We lost two games against dramatically easier teams but that is ignored, we won a game, lets pretend we'll win a title, get thrashed next time, everyone will act like it's Arsenal being Arsenal.

What I do is take the season as a whole, I don't do the stupid fan thing of "zomg we won a game, we'll win the title, zomg", nor the lows of "zomg we lost a game, worst team in the world".

We won't win anything significant with Wenger again, nor with Walcott as a starting striker. How many times has Giroud come on the pitch and made Arsenal a threat while with Walcott we look a joke? He passed to the keeper what a half dozen times last night. Even the one genuine save he produced, well Martial from a much much harder position scored from a header by actually putting it in an unsaveable position. His other shots and multiple crosses were horrific.

But screw that, it's that he and Arsenal fans take a single win as a sign of things, I don't, it's the same old Arsenal. We beat Utd and people act like it's the first win against a top four team in years, it isn't. What Arsenal have done for most of the last 8 years is only win 20-40% of our top four games when to win titles winning 50-75% of them is what is required.

I thought we'd win this game, honestly, why? Same reason as always, we were expected to win the first two easy games and we fluffed them, we were absolutely expected to lose this game, see any difference. Pressure, it's Wenger's key problem with this team int he past 8 years. We crumble under pressure and excel when no one expects anything of the team. Conversely Bayern had both made this game unimportant by being so dominant and put themselves under pressure from an unbeaten run no one would shut up about.

This all screamed Arsenal producing a good performance and winning to me, then Arsenal fans getting all giddy, Walcott as always shooting his mouth off despite another woeful performance from him. What will follow, after beating Bayern we'll be expected to be good away to them and win other games in this group and most likely we'll fluff them with the pressure on. We beat Utd, but we'll fluff another game.

This has happened every year multiple times, the win a game no one expects them to, massive hype about what it means, then crashing down to earth 2-3 games later with an embarrassing loss. Literally 8 years and fans still react like these things are coincidences and not predictable. The problems are clear as day, the players who suck continue to suck, the ones Wenger plays constantly regardless of how much they suck, the top players we lose because they don't settle for this rubbish.

No team in Europe spends anywhere near as much as we do to fail to win the league title or a european title, none. Other teams that haven't won a european or league title in the past 8 years are spending 100mil less than us a year. Several teams who spend 100mil less than us(Dortmund, Atletico) have won things and both have reached a CL final. There are no bigger failures in football in the world currently and Arsenal fans are happy with this status quo.


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Pathetic, how can you dislike the team you support winning big games. I'm pretty sure no fan thinks the Arsenal win was the start of world domination, it's very likely we'll get spanked by Bayern away and struggle at Olympiakos but that shouldn't stop anyone celebrating what was a really good performance all round and a massive win for us. ****.
 
Pathetic, how can you dislike the team you support winning big games. I'm pretty sure no fan thinks the Arsenal win was the start of world domination, it's very likely we'll get spanked by Bayern away and struggle at Olympiakos but that shouldn't stop anyone celebrating what was a really good performance all round and a massive win for us. ****.

Exactly, DM is just a walking contridiction. His views on general football are clouded by his bitterness for Wenger. DM, your talking about looking at season as a whole, yet you've just said we won't win anything this season. Were set up in the league nicely and just got a good win against a top top side. Yet....still not even one remark about a good perforance, it's actually incredible, like people here have said, your a Spurs fan dude. At the end of the day, you will carry this view on until Wenger leaves no matter what. We could win the PL this season and you'd still not celebrate. "oh... well it should have come 4 years ago, Wenger is still ****@" can just see it now, it still won't be good enough..
 
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Arsenal look like title challengers but the scary thing is if they had of spent more money they could be genuine favourites for the title.

I dont know if the title challenge will fade away like it inevitably does with Arsenal but I dont understand why Wenger didn't sign 1 or 2 top players to make sure of a title challenge?
 
Arsenal look like title challengers but the scary thing is if they had of spent more money they could be genuine favourites for the title.

I dont know if the title challenge will fade away like it inevitably does with Arsenal but I dont understand why Wenger didn't sign 1 or 2 top players to make sure of a title challenge?

We signed 1 top player. Cech..
 
Exactly, DM is just a walking contridiction. His views on general football are clouded by his bitterness for Wenger. DM, your talking about looking at season as a whole, yet you've just said we won't win anything this season. Were set up in the league nicely and just got a good win against a top top side. Yet....still not even one remark about a good perforance, it's actually incredible, like people here have said, your a Spurs fan dude. At the end of the day, you will carry this view on until Wenger leaves no matter what. We could win the PL this season and you'd still not celebrate. "oh... well it should have come 4 years ago, Wenger is still ****@" can just see it now, it still won't be good enough..

We WON'T win the league under Wenger, that is the point. How many times has some Arsenal fan after a 'big' win decided to talk about how they are nicely set up for the league... then come no where near it? Because we've had these wins every year, and nothing changed, fans like you start talking about the league after one win acting like we've never before won a game like this... and what happens, nothing.

I want Arsenal to win and know we won't win with Wenger. If we had a chance of winning a league under Wenger this win would make me happy but every stupid win we get under him causes fans like you to decide we can win with him and he stays longer.

That is all I see, beat Bayern... another 6 months till Wenger gets fired and another 6 months till we get a manager who might make the changes required. This win will make Wenger again think playing Walcott worked, it will cause him to do the same.

Then you have daft fans spouting nonsense about being a Spurs fan. Lets see, my unhappiness with Arsenal and Wenger currently is that we can't win a title. I would thus be extremely happy with Wenger if I was a Spurs fan. I would have no reason to be unhappy to watch Arsenal be the biggest failures in Europe.

This is what Arsenal fans miss and they really shouldn't. We are by far and away the biggest spenders to not be at all competitive in Europe year after year, we are by a HUGE margin the highest spenders to NOT win the league in the past decade. Other teams spend over the same time frame between 40-90mil on wages to NOT win the league that we have spent from 80-190mil on wages to not win the league. We are spending over double what the teams below us who have achieved the same or less spend. Liverpool are in between us and Spurs in spending but both won a CL in that time period, came closer to a league title than us and still don't spend anywhere near what we do. Even having achieved more while spending less.... they fired managers for not performing well enough while we achieve less, spend more and stick with Wenger.

Atletico, Juve, Inter, Milan, Dortmund are teams who have gotten to CL finals who spend less than us in the past decade, all have won titles as well. With Atletico and Dortmund you have teams with a wage spend at/below Spurs level yet beating teams with the spending power of Bayern, Real and Barca. But Arsenal fans think 4th is an achievement because we spend less than Utd/Chelsea/City.

Under Wenger Arsenal are the biggest spending losers in the world of football.... I'm so sorry I'm not ecstatic we won another game in another pointless year in which we'll mess up a bunch of important games and finish 4th if lucky.
 
Just to be clear, I called you a Spurs fan to pull your leg. In the same sentence I also called you a nvidia lover, which I know 100% you are not :p

I understand what you mean, you just want Wenger out and cannot be happy until that happens unless he somehow goes on to win the league and champions league. Even then he has hurt you so much it seems, you would still say something like "he has done it all now, time for him to go". lol

I would say, don't over think so much. Wenger will go when Wenger will go. No point getting all annoyed and not enjoying your team in the mean time. He could be here for another 5 years easily ;)

I'm surprised with DM, he usually defends the side which are doing worse (AMD) :p

Hahahahaha :)
 
Arsenal look like title challengers but the scary thing is if they had of spent more money they could be genuine favourites for the title.

I dont know if the title challenge will fade away like it inevitably does with Arsenal but I dont understand why Wenger didn't sign 1 or 2 top players to make sure of a title challenge?

It's always the same thing, Wenger believes Walcott is brilliant, he's wrong, he didn't spend on someone better than him because why would you replace someone top notch.

Coquelin, he thinks he's brilliant(he's not as good as we need consistency wise) and despite literally a decade of injuries biting his season in the backside he ignored the possibility of Coqueling picking up injuries and needing to strengthen there. Another lesson Wenger has failed to learn in a decade. He thinks Welbeck will come back from injury and be a major part of the team, he thinks Wilshere isn't going to turn into Diaby and barely contribute this year so again there was no need to replace or bring in loans to help the squad.


A disaster for injuries in defensive midfield an entire 12 months ago... and Wenger does nothing to strengthen the position this year. Other teams and other managers if they were at Arsenal would at the bare minimum brought in a rated 2-5mil 18-20yr old to at the least give Coquelin a rest for certain games. What we should have really done is bring in some serious experience at DM for Coquelin to learn from(he's played very little considering his age) for a couple of years AND a youngster to learn from both and offer someone as back up and more importantly rotation to avoid injuries in the first place.
 
Just to be clear, I called you a Spurs fan to pull your leg. In the same sentence I also called you a nvidia lover, which I know 100% you are not :p

I understand what you mean, you just want Wenger out and cannot be happy until that happens unless he somehow goes on to win the league and champions league. Even then he has hurt you so much it seems, you would still say something like "he has done it all now, time for him to go". lol

I would say, don't over think so much. Wenger will go when Wenger will go. No point getting all annoyed and not enjoying your team in the mean time. He could be here for another 5 years easily ;)



Hahahahaha :)

The Spurs thing is something a bunch of idiots have been saying constantly for weeks now and it's beyond retarded.

I get annoyed because we are the most under performing team in world football in a money vs success scale. 4th looks good only in complete isolation and assuming 5th-10th are in the same ballpark financially. I see absolute and utter failure from Wenger season after season. Any other manager, any other club (spending to the same level) he would have been fired.

Wenger hasn't learnt from any of his mistakes in a decade, that is honestly just embarrassing, what is worse is that fans act like Wenger has turned it around every 3rd game, then act like nothing has changed another game after that. He should have walked 6-7 years ago on his own terms, he should have been fired 4-5 years ago at the absolute latest. How fans are talking about how he rebuilt the club and the stadium was down to him, excusing him for not spending because we were financially crippled by the stadium. Many many fans believe that is the reason we started spending, many do believe the debt is gone, the pretty simple reason is that for Wenger to not be pushed out of the club after most of the best players walked away he had to start spending to be seen as capable for the job.

I also don't think we'd have spent 42mil on a player if he hadn't been offered to us.
 
We WON'T win the league under Wenger, that is the point. How many times has some Arsenal fan after a 'big' win decided to talk about how they are nicely set up for the league... then come no where near it? Because we've had these wins every year, and nothing changed, fans like you start talking about the league after one win acting like we've never before won a game like this... and what happens, nothing.

I want Arsenal to win and know we won't win with Wenger. If we had a chance of winning a league under Wenger this win would make me happy but every stupid win we get under him causes fans like you to decide we can win with him and he stays longer.

That is all I see, beat Bayern... another 6 months till Wenger gets fired and another 6 months till we get a manager who might make the changes required. This win will make Wenger again think playing Walcott worked, it will cause him to do the same.

Then you have daft fans spouting nonsense about being a Spurs fan. Lets see, my unhappiness with Arsenal and Wenger currently is that we can't win a title. I would thus be extremely happy with Wenger if I was a Spurs fan. I would have no reason to be unhappy to watch Arsenal be the biggest failures in Europe.

This is what Arsenal fans miss and they really shouldn't. We are by far and away the biggest spenders to not be at all competitive in Europe year after year, we are by a HUGE margin the highest spenders to NOT win the league in the past decade. Other teams spend over the same time frame between 40-90mil on wages to NOT win the league that we have spent from 80-190mil on wages to not win the league. We are spending over double what the teams below us who have achieved the same or less spend. Liverpool are in between us and Spurs in spending but both won a CL in that time period, came closer to a league title than us and still don't spend anywhere near what we do. Even having achieved more while spending less.... they fired managers for not performing well enough while we achieve less, spend more and stick with Wenger.

Atletico, Juve, Inter, Milan, Dortmund are teams who have gotten to CL finals who spend less than us in the past decade, all have won titles as well. With Atletico and Dortmund you have teams with a wage spend at/below Spurs level yet beating teams with the spending power of Bayern, Real and Barca. But Arsenal fans think 4th is an achievement because we spend less than Utd/Chelsea/City.

Under Wenger Arsenal are the biggest spending losers in the world of football.... I'm so sorry I'm not ecstatic we won another game in another pointless year in which we'll mess up a bunch of important games and finish 4th if lucky.

And that right there is exactly what i'm talking about. Pointless year? Mate...whole of life is pointless. You've got to change your mindset, it's quite obvious you view football as a drag in your life. It shouldn't do, football is meant to do the opposite of what youre feeling most of the time. You seem to think that football owes you something. It's just there to be enojoyed at the end of the day. Arsenal, despite what you say are an european elite club now. They were not when Wenger took over, Arsenal are up there in the breaths of Real, Barca, Bayern because of Wenger and the job he's done there.From money to player rotation, he's done a wicked job and he's installed a good philosophy which will carry on well into when's he's passed away. Wish he'd of come to Leeds.

I would say after 20 years hard graft, Wenger is actually player wise in a position to win stuff for the first time since the 01-06 years. We are very close, there's no denying that. Even then he's still punching above his weight when you compare how much dosh he's flung about. He's a tight one Wenger...and we moved stadiums/training grounds, done in the proper way as well unlike City's new training academy. I mean, you have Chelsea who are still in a 40,000 seater stadium, look at the expenditure of that compared to Arsenal. We do have to see this again.

http://www.transferleague.co.uk/pre...ague-tables/premier-league-table-1992-to-date

look at the clubs above Arsenal, who do you think has done all this? Santa Claus? It's Wenger dude..

WE ARE AN EUROPEAN ELITE CLUB NOW
 
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And that right there is exactly what i'm talking about. Pointless year? Mate...whole of life is pointless. You've got to change your mindset, it's quite obvious you view football as a drag in your life. It shouldn't do, football is meant to do the opposite of what youre feeling most of the time. You seem to think that football owes you something. It's just there to be enojoyed at the end of the day. Arsenal, despite what you say are an european elite club now. They were not when Wenger took over, Arsenal are up there in the breaths of Real, Barca, Bayern because of Wenger and the job he's done there.From money to player rotation, he's done a wicked job and he's installed a good philosophy which will carry on well into when's he's passed away. Wish he'd of come to Leeds.

I would say after 20 years hard graft, Wenger is actually player wise in a position to win stuff for the first time since the 01-06 years. We are very close, there's no denying that. Even then he's still punching above his weight when you compare how much dosh he's flung about. He's a tight one Wenger...and we moved stadiums/training grounds, done in the proper way as well unlike City's new training academy. I mean, you have Chelsea who are still in a 40,000 seater stadium, look at the expenditure of that compared to Arsenal. We do have to see this again.

http://www.transferleague.co.uk/pre...ague-tables/premier-league-table-1992-to-date

look at the clubs above Arsenal, who do you think has done all this? Santa Claus? It's Wenger dude..

WE ARE AN EUROPEAN ELITE CLUB NOW

Nah. Wenger out! :p
 
Top 10 clubs in the World? Arsenal are in that, they never used to be. Quite simple really
 
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