personally i'd put england behind russia and croatia.
UEFA Euro 2012 - Quarter-finals - ** spoilers **
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personally i'd put england behind russia and croatia.
Well if it was a couple of centimeters lower it would have given the keeper no chance of saving it
Granted. However it wasn't, so I don't really see how anyone can say it was "well placed".
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it helps when your main tactic is punting the ball 60 yards to get anywhere. he was that brutal in the air that eventually the Italians stood off him and just let him chest it down..
Erm...surely that is the one thing you can not say about it!
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the place in the goal mouth was good - the elevation (which is seperate, and related to speed of the shot) wasnt good
Sorry thought I made that clear in stating " a little too firm" - but well done editing the quote
Vintage Frank. Some of the things he says are genius
If the whole statement is read it makes perfect sense - as per explanation above
Sorry it appears I have to spell everything out for people around here
As above
He had about a month out before playing a live game (ie not training) compared to most of the rest of the team who played some part at least in both friendlies before the three group games. It wasnt related to missing games for Utd , just the time between his last game and the 3rd group game.
(and even then I think Rooney - possibly like a number of others, was also carrying injuries he was playing with for Utd)
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Frank your 'explanation' is just you digging the hole even deeper
Frank your 'explanation' is just you digging the hole even deeper
Not at all - the softer the shot, it would have looped over the diving Buffon, in the centre of the goal
Whether anyone on here wants to admit it or not is entirely another matter
and anyway - still doesnt excuse the the dodgy editing of what I actually said
He placed it so well, he missed. Missed.
Really?
If he was aiming for the cross bar, then yes, he placed it well. However, he wasn't, and didn't place it well.
You can by all means hit a good penalty and have it saved, but not even hitting the target, alas isn't a good penalty.
Really?
If he was aiming for the cross bar, then yes, he placed it well. However, he wasn't, and didn't place it well.
You can by all means hit a good penalty and have it saved, but not even hitting the target, alas isn't a good penalty.
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young didn't place his penalty he went fir power and came much unstuck...
He placed it so well, he missed. Missed.
Really?
If he was aiming for the cross bar, then yes, he placed it well. However, he wasn't, and didn't place it well.
You can by all means hit a good penalty and have it saved, but not even hitting the target, alas isn't a good penalty.
I think what Frank is getting at is in relation to Cole's saved pen Young's was better in that had it been an inch lower it would have gone in (regardless of whether Buffon guessed correctly) whereas Cole's was easily saved and would have only gone in had Buffon guessed the wrong way. Or something like that
It's not a well placed shot is it, come on, it's kinda ridiculous to go to such extremes to defend a player just because he plays for your club, which I have to be honest does seem to be what's happeneing. It's baffling as it is, but I can't see this defence being made if Young still played for Villa.
I could go as far as saying it's a little unfortunate, the line between success and failure is so fine at times, a few cm lower and it's an unstoppable shot, almost the perfect penalty. But it didn't go a few cm lower, it hit the bar and there's just no way you can call a penalty well placed when it crashes against the crossbar, not when the whole aim is to hit the back of the net. Might just as well say Cole's was a decent penalty, since that at least goes in if Buffon goes the other way.
Thankfully they don't seem to be getting the typical lynching that players generally receive if they miss a penalty for England, people can see that our problems are far deeper than missing a couple penalties.
I could go as far as saying it's a little unfortunate, the line between success and failure is so fine at times, a few cm lower and it's an unstoppable shot, almost the perfect penalty. But it didn't go a few cm lower, it hit the bar and there's just no way you can call a penalty well placed when it crashes against the crossbar, not when the whole aim is to hit the back of the net. Might just as well say Cole's was a decent penalty, since that at least goes in if Buffon goes the other way.
Thankfully they don't seem to be getting the typical lynching that players generally receive if they miss a penalty for England, people can see that our problems are far deeper than missing a couple penalties.
I think what Frank is getting at is in relation to Cole's saved pen Young's was better in that had it been an inch lower it would have gone in (regardless of whether Buffon guessed correctly) whereas Cole's was easily saved and would have only gone in had Buffon guessed the wrong way. Or something like that
Cole's was better placed than Young's
Young's had no chance of going in because it didn't hit the target, Cole's could have had Buffon guessed the wrong way.
I get what he's saying about putting your foot through it is how you end up sending it into or over the bar, but it's a gigantic stretch to go from that to saying it's actually a well placed penalty, because you're ignoring the fact that it did not go in. With a little less power, yes it may have gone in, but the penalty Young took last night didn't, simple as that.
So a world class team are having an off night in a really important match against an average team like England, can't score a goal and only win by lucky penalties? Did you ever stop to think that the only reason Italy had so much more possession wasn't because they're great but because England are so goddamn useless? Go on, ask me again if I know the meaning of the word average, you seem to like doing that.
So was Chris Waddles effort in 90' "well placed" as well? Afterall, had it been 50 yards lower it would have gone in the top corner...
Bottom line is, you miss the target, it's not a well placed shot.
