Poll: UK Gun Laws

[NVP]

Epsom College head called relative before she was shot by husband

Police recover a firearm owned by George Pattison who officers believe killed his wife and daughter.

www.bbc.co.uk

The head teacher of Epsom College was shot dead by her husband, before he killed their daughter and took his own life with the same gun, police believe.

I'm sure this isn't the first case here where similar has happened.


Is there a case to be made for the removal of all guns from civilians?

Or perhaps if I word it another way, is there a legitimate case for a civilian to own a gun?

I can't see any argument that couldn't be resolved by a professional services who undergo tight control and yearly vetting etc.


Is there a case for guns to remain accessible to civilians?

 

[Uther]

Epsom College head called relative before she was shot by husband

Police recover a firearm owned by George Pattison who officers believe killed his wife and daughter.

www.bbc.co.uk

1.I'm sure this isn't the first case here where similar has happened.


2.Is there a case to be made for the removal of all guns from civilians?

3.Or perhaps if I word it another way, is there a legitimate case for a civilian to own a gun?

4.I can't see any argument that couldn't be resolved by a professional services who undergo tight control and yearly vetting etc.


5.Is there a case for guns to remain accessible to civilians?

1.Probably
2.No
3.Yes
4.Vetting is quite tight already
5.Yes

 

[Rroff]

I'm pro gun regulations but personally deeply against a small number of mad people resulting in an absolute ban on anything. At the end of the day this person it seems was set on killing his family and himself, likely would have done it one way or another.

 

[sidimmu]

I'm pro gun regulations but personally deeply against a small number of mad people resulting in an absolute ban on anything. At the end of they day this person it seems was set on killing his family and himself, likely would have done it one way or another.

You must hate everything in the world then, things get banned for people's safety, end of.

I'll await for any legitimate uses for civilians owning guns in this country.
As there is 100% an alternative.

 

[Uther]

You must hate everything in the world then, things get banned for people's safety, end of.

I'll await for any legitimate uses for civilians owning guns in this country.
As there is 100% an alternative.

We should probably ban cars then, and bikes, and cutlery.

 

[~Mike~]

As a gun owner, yes there is a legitimate case for me to own them.

 

[Rroff]

You must hate everything in the world then, things get banned for people's safety, end of.

I'll await for any legitimate uses for civilians owning guns in this country.
As there is 100% an alternative.

As with many things, people are all for bans until it is something they are interested in.

 

[NVP]

1.Probably
2.No
3.Yes
4.Vetting is quite tight already
5.Yes

Care to expand?

 

[NVP]

As a gun owner, yes there is a legitimate case for me to own them.

Because?

 

[sidimmu]

We should probably ban cars then, and bikes, and cutlery.

Wrong, those items have a legitimate use case for people across the entire country.
A gun does not.

Again, awaiting for legitimate reasons to own one.

 

[Ayahuasca]

One tap is all it takes (or in this case, three).

 

[Uther]

Because?

Again, awaiting for legitimate reasons to own one.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1116230/Firearms_guide_November_2022.pdf

 

[~Mike~]

Because?

What are guns used for?

 

[Rroff]

Wrong, those items have a legitimate use case for people across the entire country.
A gun does not.

Again, awaiting for legitimate reasons to own one.

I mean you could use that to justify limiting all cars to speeds that make it impossible (obviously could still crush them against something) to kill someone, maybe make it illegal to drive a car without someone walking in front waving a flag.

 

[robfosters]

As Rroff says, he would have found a way whether it be knife, strangulation etc. I highly doubt it would have ended any differently

 

[Raymond Lin]

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1116230/Firearms_guide_November_2022.pdf

That's not a why, that is the guidance.

It's like "why do you want a car?"

Because "Traffic law"

What?

 

[NVP]

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1116230/Firearms_guide_November_2022.pdf

So no, you don't have a reason.

What are guns used for?

How does that relate to a civilians need for one?

 

[Megahurtz400]

Now bear with me here, I want this post to be specifically about the UK and not the US as the rules around gun control are obviously vastly different, and it also makes a lot of assumptions about the accused.

Sadly, my snap reaction to this is probably a failing of mental health services, UK gun control is pretty darn strict already (I know a family member who wants to get into clay Pidgeon shooting and it's a long drawn out process.), so my first assumption is that still men's mental health is not taken seriously enough and this guy has reached a point (for whatever reason) where he has though this was a reasonable thing to do.

Part of me thinks that if people want to take part in a hobby that requires a firearm, then they should be allowed to, given the correct regular checks are done.

Part of me thinks that guns are such instant killing machines that no person (let alone civilian) should ever be trusted with one.

Part of my thinks that these three people probably would have died anyway, whether a gun was involved or not. If my assumption that the guy had got to a point where this was an option, it could have been done with a knife or his bare hands anyway. It's this point I wanted to make the first sentence caveat about, as I see a lot of Americans making this argument but their gun control laws are absolutely baffling weak.

 

[Uther]

So no, you don't have a reason.


How does that relate to a civilians need for one?

Yes, they are the allowed reasons for civilians having one. I could go out and kill more people in my car quicker than my shotgun. Ban cars just in case.

 

[Rroff]

As Rroff says, he would have found a way whether it be knife, strangulation etc. I highly doubt it would have ended any differently

One of the alternatives in this country for murder suicides is to drive head on with a HGV at speed amongst other things.