I think it is fair to say the world has turned a blind eye when it comes to Israel.
UK soldiers to face prosecution for war crimes
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I think it is fair to say the world has turned a blind eye when it comes to Israel.
Yes. people should be held to account for crimes they have committed. However, considerable mitigation should be applied to take into account the incredible pressures and stresses these soldiers were under.
At the end of the day they are prepared to, and many have, made the ultimate sacrifice for us. We should be able to sacrifice some of our principles for them.
War is war and can never be pleasant or civilised. And if they are going to be put on trial then what about the politicians who sent them into the war?
Don't be too quick to judge them unless you've been through what they have.
At the end of the day they are prepared to, and many have, made the ultimate sacrifice for us. We should be able to sacrifice some of our principles for them.
War is war and can never be pleasant or civilised. And if they are going to be put on trial then what about the politicians who sent them into the war?
Don't be too quick to judge them unless you've been through what they have.
How many have found themselves in court over the attack on the Gaza aid boat which left 16 people dead?
The ICC found that war crimes had probably been committed.
Soldato
Start with the Roman soldier that shoved a spear into Jesus while he was nailed to the cross.
Clearly a war crime and a hate crime.
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I think the lines probably become blurred during combat situations but I have faith that we train our armed forces to adhere to the correct protocols and procedures.
From what little I do know, it does point to the soldiers in question acting outside of those rules. Whilst I have every sympathy for soldiers in any combat theatre and appreciate it must be an extremely difficult place to be, it does seem like they crossed the line.
That said I don't have all the facts. However I still think we should uphold the highest standards in our armed forces and if there is a case to answer for these soldiers then it should be answered.
But I do feel there is a certain double standard that the ones responsible for basically invading sovereign states on very flimsy grounds are not also being prosecuted.
It would seem that perhaps all is not fair in love an war?
From what little I do know, it does point to the soldiers in question acting outside of those rules. Whilst I have every sympathy for soldiers in any combat theatre and appreciate it must be an extremely difficult place to be, it does seem like they crossed the line.
That said I don't have all the facts. However I still think we should uphold the highest standards in our armed forces and if there is a case to answer for these soldiers then it should be answered.
But I do feel there is a certain double standard that the ones responsible for basically invading sovereign states on very flimsy grounds are not also being prosecuted.
It would seem that perhaps all is not fair in love an war?
Cringe.
Read what I put again, then you will see, eventually that a soldier does what a terrorist does, only he has a uniform............
Just to add, there has been only one British soldier convicted of a war crime.
And what did he do? He admitted beating up a prisoner, who subsequently died in military custody. Is it right that this now ex-soldier should be seen in the same light as those who experimented on and then slaughtered millions of Jews in Austrian concentration camps during WWII?
I certainly don't think it's right at all.
And what did he do? He admitted beating up a prisoner, who subsequently died in military custody. Is it right that this now ex-soldier should be seen in the same light as those who experimented on and then slaughtered millions of Jews in Austrian concentration camps during WWII?
I certainly don't think it's right at all.
Wrong, there have been more than one. Their are also a lot more British Soldiers whom have carried out crimes whom still get treated as heroes and have not been charged.
Caporegime
How many Taliban/Al-Queda/Islamic State commit war crimes and never get charged?
Not really. Not really at all.
Your posts in this thread show either a massive lack of knowledge of the roles and rules of the British Army or an axe to grind for whatever reason.
FWIW I think that any serving soldier that deliberately and consciously commits a war crime should be punished to the full extent of the law. But it should be in a military court, should be done fairly and should be done with all facts available and not carried out by organisations with agendas.
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Can you give us more information regarding "a lot more British Soldiers whom have carried out crimes" ?
Because if you have more information and more proof then this could be very serious indeed.
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If you truly believe that a member of the British Armed Forces (Army/RAF/Navy) carry out the same detail as a terrorist, but wear a uniform, then that speaks volumes. There can be no reasoning with the likes of you
They are backed by the CIA and Mossad
Yes, think of the logic, a terrorist kills people and a soldier does, one wears a uniform the other does not.
"You might need to sit down for this one. Ready? OK, here goes…
Soldiers aren’t heroes. There. Shocking, eh? Well, consider this; the army, like any organisation comprising hundreds of thousands of men and women, will contain almost as many different types as there are people. There will be the diligent and the lazy, the honest and the deceitful, the brave and the cowardly and the humane and the pitiless. They can’t all be heroes, you know. Not even all the dead ones.
Now I don’t know about you, but I’m sick to the back teeth of the emotional blackmail with which we are daily assaulted. Appeals to ‘Support Our Boys’ everywhere you look and every poor, duped and brainwashed unit of working-class cannon fodder, unfortunate enough to step on an IED in Helmand Province, virtually elevated to Sainthood. Even the BBC, laughably dubbed Bolsheviks Broadcasting Communism by the more unhinged and bellicose of our gin-soaked Colonels and their twin-set and pearl-adorned wives, seems to have turned itself into the Department of War Propaganda with never so much as a hint that there might exist, out there in the country in which it purports to report, an alternative view. I’d even bet it was a majority view, too, by now.
I’m also more than a little sick of the accusing and outraged responses my articulating of such sentiments provokes. There is, currently, no army anywhere on the face of the planet fighting for me or to keep me and mine safe. I wasn’t asked if I wanted UK troops in Afghanistan and I’m certainly not stupid enough to believe that now they are there, they’re fighting to protect my family and yours. Oh sure, there will be some soldiers, maybe even many, who believe that’s what they’re doing but, back in the real world, most of us know the real reason they are there is to secure and then protect by force cynical Western interests revolving, mainly, around resources and geopolitical influence in the region. By that, of course, I mean largely American interests, to which we become ever more subordinate.
Frankly, Afghanistan and the UK’s ongoing involvement there makes me angrier than I’ve been for a long time and I resent the frothing, rabid, racist idiots, drunk on blind patriotism and the ******** dripping from the state’s propaganda tit. Expressly designed, of course, to keep the stupid proles docile, compliant and on-message. You sup if you want to but count me out.
Now I’m no wild-eyed, army-hating pacifist. I’m privileged to know some fine human beings who have served in the British Army. One, in particular, spending an eventful career involved in incidents that will definitely not be subjected to public scrutiny any time soon. Interestingly enough, though, they all seem to have a far clearer and much more accurate understanding of the motivations underpinning the UK’s military excursions than those who support them. Motives, they would assure you, which have nothing whatsoever to do with noble concepts like freedom, democracy and philanthropy.
But the point is this; currently doing the rounds on Facebook (where else?) is this…
“2000 tanker drivers are complaining that £45k a year and a final salary pension, is too little for a dangerous job? Yet our boys and girls out in Afghan get £24k or there about to get shot at? Round the 2000 tanker drivers up, send em out to Afghan, then ask 2000 soldiers if they want to earn £45k a year driving a fuel tanker about. Problem solved…. repost if u agree”
This is a ridiculous argument and one that cannot withstand even a moment’s scrutiny. Firstly, the idea that no one has a right to defend their wages and living standards from attacks by this vicious, greedy government of toffs, simply because they aren’t soldiers, is too stupid for words.
Secondly, tanker drivers earn between £20K and £25K per year. The mythical £45K the Tory media would have us believe they earn is a figure that applies to less than 20% of the industry. And at what price? Dangerously long hours and working during holidays and days off. But that’s not all, is it? The unions involved are also fighting to ensure drivers receive proper training and valuable health and safety inductions (you remember unions, don’t you? The people who brought you the weekend, the forty-hour week, paid holidays, sick pay and put an end to sending kids down the pits, to mention just a few of their achievements).
Meanwhile, back at the Tory ranch, unscrupulous employers are being egged on by the oil companies to undercut unionised firms by hacking back on training, health and safety as well as pay and conditions. So when a knackered and stressed out driver ploughs his tanker full of petrol through your front room, taking out your kids in the process, along with most of your street and that union jack you’ve got flying over the garden, hopefully you might then wish you hadn’t been an ignorant and resentful idiot, incapable of independent thought and seeing the bigger picture.
But back to ‘Our Boys’; as a parent I value my children’s lives above all else. It was for that reason I told all three of them that joining the armed forces was not an option. By sheer force of will I had my way. Wrong? Maybe. Should let them make their own decisions, right? Possibly. To be honest, I don’t care. I know I’ll never have to stand weeping over a box filled with bits of my kids. I’ll never feel the rage, guilt, shame and self-loathing that would come with knowing I let my kids die for ruthless, immoral, war-mongering governments who demonstrate every single day that they have nothing but contempt for me, my kids and our class. Let them send their kids, let the privileged officer class be the heroes, let’s see the Cabinet sending their sons and daughters to perish in the desert.
So, you want to support ‘Our Boys’, eh? Then do it in the only way that matters; bring them back from Afghanistan. Oppose this pointless, unwinnable, immoral and dirty war. Give your kids the chance to live or you aren’t a parent; you’re a moral coward. A disgusting individual prepared to sacrifice your children for the hollow lies sold you by the governments of the UK and USA. Are you real? What kind of human being are you that you’d do that but presume to judge me for my lack of patriotism? Dulci et decorum est pro patria mori, eh? What is wrong with you people?
Troops out of Afghanistan now. And while you’re at it, support the tanker drivers"
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Soldato
I think the chemtrails have made your tinfoil hat a bit too tight.
Absolutely nothing wrong with correctly investigating any possible war crimes but the way the whole thing is handled not to mention the timescale is nothing short of atrocious. This only serves to make even more servicemen feel completely unsupported by the very same country and institutions that they were/are tasked with defending.
Does a fantastic job of lining pockets of unscrupulous solicitors though and tarnishing reputation of the British Armed Forces with unsubstantiated claims as previously demonstrated in other inquiries.
Does a fantastic job of lining pockets of unscrupulous solicitors though and tarnishing reputation of the British Armed Forces with unsubstantiated claims as previously demonstrated in other inquiries.