UKIP move up to third in polls....

bhavv said:
'ICT' is simply abysmal. It doesnt teach any technical or programming skills, its simply an entire course spent learning how to:

- Create a username and password
- Log in to an account
- Learn how to use windows
- Learn how to use microsoft office (80% of the course)
- Learn how to use Google and the internet

Course finished. You are now educated to work an office desk job sat in front of a computer all day. Whoopee!
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indeed, IT lessons in my school were appalling. i learnt more at home playing around on the internet than i did in IT lessons.
 
Kemik said:
Serious. Their manifesto says they're against HS2 and wind farms as major items. I happen to think HS2 is vital to improving our rail system and investment of money outside of London. I also think off-shore wind farms and wind farms in lightly populated areas has huge benefits for the UK when compared to other renewables based on our weather.

I'm not going to vote for a party which is firmly against things I believe in.
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Well, fair enough... I disagree with the way HS2 is being implemented and I think wind farms are white elephants, but it's not for this thread! :)
 
PermaBanned said:
Is that necessarily a bad thing? Why shouldn't people be allowed to explore the world by taking their own path? Their own curiosities? At the very least that way you know you'll actually learn something. If you have something you aren't interested in in the slightest crammed down your throat every day of the week then what are you going to learn? What key skill does that teach you?
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if you cannot see why that would be a bad idea then discussing this with you is hopeless.

Sometimes you need to learn things you might not enjoy.

PermaBanned said:
More often than not it's the skill of not paying attention and knowing the minimum amount of work necessary to get through. And personally i think a lot of it is because it's being crammed down your throat. If your curiosities happen to take you to that same place then you're far more likely to understand and enjoy it, because you know how to get there - you know what purpose it serves, where it is relevant to you and how it all fits together.
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and if your curiosities do not include Maths, English, Science, History, and any number of other generally 'boring' things that kids don't like....

I know, let them loose on the internet to teach themselves, we should at least have a generation of Xbox Gamers, Porn Addicts and at least they will know how to buy the latest game cheaply and chat all day on FB.....

PermaBanned said:
Partly, which is what the education system needs to supplement. That and personal relationships. That isn't to say that the current rushed stress-fest of a system we have now is anywhere near a good way of doing that. There are ways of doing that without compromising a child's creativity, which is effectively what we do now.
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you have it all arsebackward......the internet is of use if it is targeted correctly, it is excellent as a resourse and as a suppliment to formal schooling....it is not a replacement for formal schooling.


PermaBanned said:
You're just not looking in the right places. That may have been the case say five years ago, but the sheer wealth and quality of the material that has cropped up lately really shows promise for what is to come, and the potential of where that could take us.
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I am very well versed in where to find quality on the internet....however, I also know that the average child or teenager will spend a vastly greater time socialising and reading about the latest minecraft map or looking at naked pictures of Selena Gomez than looking up how to do algebra or who Henry the VIII was....

You are naive if you think otherwise.
 
PermaBanned said:
That's not what i proposed at all though.
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That is what it amounts to.

The Internet can, and already does supplement school.....if you give a child too much freedom to choose, they might learn more, but it won't be what they should be learning.

Can you seriously imagine the average 12-14 year old learning alegbra, grammar, statistics, biology, chemistry, physics, or who Marie Curie was, on their own recognisance?

What they will be learning is how to photoshop boobs onto the next door neighbour, how to complete skyrim and downloading music and watching dodgy horror and porn.......

Yeah, another great idea from Permabanned.....:)
 
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Castiel said:
In practice that is exactly how it would be though.
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Why?

Tefal said:
Sorry perma have you never had a class were your on the computers doing "research" or using the internet in school?

just how many in that class were doing the work and how many were playing games?
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You're just complaining about the current state of IT teaching. Which is what started off this whole tangent.
 
nope not IT at all.

ANY class, English, history anything instant they get on computers they stop doing work.

I'm amazed you havn't noticed this given you're still in school.
 
I'm curious when you're i na lesson where you're on computers do you do the work and just the work perma or do you end up distracted playing games, reading random **** and watching youtube?
 
Tefal, how many times - that is not at all what i am proposing. Why do you think i'm saying 'just stop teaching them and take kids to the computer lab'. I'm not.
 
Tefal said:
nope not IT at all.

ANY class, English, history anything instant they get on computers they stop doing work.

I'm amazed you havn't noticed this given you're still in school.
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I think that's true, however I remember doing it in art too, as soon as we got paint or pencils... likewise in gym when we got into the equipment room etc.

I think it's just playfulness and inquisitiveness.
 
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