Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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NZXT30 said:
You would be surprised how things are perceived outside of the west propaganda bubble.

In my home country people are disgusted with the west arming Ukraine so two brotherly slavic nations can kill each other. There is always two-sides to a story and I can assure you tons of people consider the UK among others as the warmongering villains.
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So the people in your home country believe it's ok for Russia to roll in the tanks and take over a sovereign, democratic nation? And they think those that are helping the Ukrainians defend themselves are the 'disgusting' ones? Yeah, nah.
 
Rilot said:
I do. Why is it that if I choose to believe most of what I'm seeing after taking in information from many, many sources, I am wrong, but you are right?
You spout the same stuff I hear from most people who support conspiracies, fallacies and alternative facts. That those who disagree with the alt-facts are sheep and aren't thinking for themselves. Do you not see the irony in that?
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You're trying to dismiss me by categorising me.

I haven't come in here claiming you're a 'sheep' as you put it.

I'll argue the points as best I can but all I seem to get here is deflections and personal rhetoric.

We probably agree on many things like Putin being a power hungry, ex KGB psycho who doesn't want to leave office but you're focusing on things that don't matter.

We can't approach discussion from a 'I'm right, you're wrong' that's not how you debate things, that's not how you move forward in the world and potentially why we find Putin and Zelenskiy in the position they're in. You have to be open to discussion, which ironically this discussion forum is not.
 
NZXT30 said:
Not sure what you're confused about? It's a video on the internet accessible by anyone on the globe.
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I asked why the comments were weird - like manufactured valentines day cards with how cringey they are.

You responded with something about western propaganda?

The confusion is why you were talking to me about some random point? It couldn't have been towards my comments because the video in question was from a ... Western MSM source...?
 
LCG-xyz said:
We can't approach discussion from a 'I'm right, you're wrong' that's not how you debate things, that's not how you move forward in the world and potentially why we find Putin and Zelenskiy in the position they're in. You have to be open to discussion, which ironically this discussion forum is not.
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What're you debating? The premise of a debate is that someone is wrong?
 
Stumble Bum said:
Cool, so potentially 15 from Bulgaria and 11 from Slovakia.

I wonder how many pilots Ukraine have spare.
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Too little too late now. Apparently Russia have stepped up ground to air missiles big time.

NZXT30 said:
An equivalent example would be Russia meddling in Wales for decades to get them under a hypothetical Soviet Union and arming them so they can kill the English.

Yes I would be disgusted.

There is no possible winner in this conflict the whole thing is just sad beyond belief.
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Tell your comrade to back out then? Russia sympathisers are an odd bunch.
 
Malevolence said:
:cry:

When did you get back? I never thanked you for the email you sent offering an ear when my old man passed away. Thanks for that, even though I didn't take you up on the offer. Things got hectic sorting out all the paperwork and the like. :)
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I snuck back in the other day. And you're welcome, I hope you're doing OK and that your family are all as well as can be.
 
LCG-xyz said:
You're trying to dismiss me by categorising me.

I haven't come in here claiming you're a 'sheep' as you put it.

I'll argue the points as best I can but all I seem to get here is deflections and personal rhetoric.

We probably agree on many things like Putin being a power hungry, ex KGB psycho who doesn't want to leave office but you're focusing on things that don't matter.

We can't approach discussion from a 'I'm right, you're wrong' that's not how you debate things, that's not how you move forward in the world and potentially why we find Putin and Zelenskiy in the position they're in. You have to be open to discussion, which ironically this discussion forum is not.
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This forum is absolutely open to discussion when those points are backed up with verifiable information from sources that have a track record of being right.

I am absolutely open to my mind being changed. I am a scientist by training and so believe that any working theory is always only as good as the last set of data that proves it correct. As soon as new information arises or data that doesn’t fit the model is proven to be valid, that theory needs to be changed.

My position on this is that Russia is an aggressor, Putin is a tyrant, we absolutely should be arming Ukraine, and if a country aspires to join NATO then that’s their prerogative.

Change my mind.
 
dLockers said:
Too little too late now. Apparently Russia have stepped up ground to air missiles big time.


Tell your comrade to back out then? Russia sympathisers are an odd bunch.
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There are people that see slavic kids barely out of high school killing each other and the warmongers like yourself cheering for one side to kill more of the "bad guys".

Suit yourself mate.
 
dLockers said:
What're you debating? The premise of a debate is that someone is wrong?
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A lot of people here seem happy in their echo chamber add in a healthy dose of 'bantz' and you're all good.

I initially came in asking 'what about this?' 'this is a factor in the equation' 'I'm digging around and found this' 'I'm trying to contextualise things and found this'

All I got in return was insults and derision. That's not discussing things, that's not debate. It's pretty hostile in here if you're not toeing the party line.

Have a think about that. A lot of people are hostile if they're presented with things they don't agree with. That's not how society should work.

Flip equation, you come to me and I don't agree with what you're saying, I'd try to find out why you think that and prove you wrong with as much info as I could find. I'd explain nuances I felt you were missing, explain the bigger picture, the context, the external factors involved.

What I wouldn't do is ask who your russia handlers are, whether you're a bot, call you a turd that wouldn't flush, call you right wing, call you a putin supporter.

Very hostile.
 
NZXT30 said:
There are people that see slavic kids barely out of high school killing each other and the warmongers like yourself cheering for one side to kill more of the "bad guys".

Suit yourself mate.
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Tell your comrade to stop shelling innocent people? You see how Ukraine are within that line drawn around their country? Now guess who the invader is?
 
Sky News Q&A session on currently, the guy who was just in before the ads rolled made a valid point about Putin's threat of nuclear reaction if the west continue as we are. He made the point that it is just a threat, a common action from those that know they cannot defend themselves so they have the raise the stakes with a threat such as nuclear war. This invasion is not about nuclear wars like wars have been in the past, plus if he was serious about going nuclear then he would not be doing everything possible to cut off Russian people from sources of factual truth, nor would he be getting police to inspect phones, arrest kids and elderly for simply saying "no to war".

Why go through ll that time waste and effort if you were being serious about starting a unclear outcome? There won't be a Russia left if that happens regardless of how many manage to cram into mountain bunkers.
 
The West is doing everything it can to not repeat the mistakes of the 1930s, whilst not actually triggering a shooting nuclear war.

Russian sympathisers can do one. Someone puts a bullet in Putin and this all stops tomorrow.
 
NZXT30 said:
There are people that see slavic kids barely out of high school killing each other and the warmongers like yourself cheering for one side to kill more of the "bad guys".

Suit yourself mate.
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Yeah, war is f-ing horrible. But you putting blame on the people helping those defending themselves against a belligerent dictator rather than on said dictator is equally nasty.
Make your statement to a Ukrainian and see the response you get.
 
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